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The quick answer is that NEITHER of the verses you presented talk about the fact that people can choose to walk away from Christ after being born again. I gave SEVERAL passages that show this to be true. Cherry-picking Scripture to satisfy your man-made doctrines is NEVER a good idea because...

Tell you what - since you keep insisting that you have given me Scriptural proof for your false, man-made doctrine of OSAS - PLEASE point me to the post so I can read it. If you can show me the post where you proved this from Scripture - I will concede defeat and recant my argument.

Like I said - until you can reconcile your false beliefs with epignosis - the scales will remain in your eyes.

WE make OURSELVES enemies of God. God doesn't make enemies of US. John 3:16 For God so LOVED THE WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. No - they're explicit. Nothing has been taken out of context here. If it has - then...

And like ALL of your other long-winded posts - this one boils down to simple denial. simply because you refuse to accept the definition of "Apostasy" - you call it "Psychobabble nonsense". As I schooled you before - Apostasy is the repudiation (rejection) of a once-held religious belief. ONLY a...

Uh-huh, but it's about God's LOVE. It's NOT about salvation. God loves even those who AREN'T saved (John 3:16). What "figurative" language are you talking about?? The following verses explicitly talk about about LOSING your security with God. (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27...

Yet you CAN'T seem to show me ANY Scripture to substantiate this man-made invention . . . Sooooo, you are rejecting 2 Tim. 3:16, which says: ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be...

For starters - name some of the doctrines that have "changed". I asked you to do that in my last post and you danced around it again. Since you claim that "no other" religious group has changed more doctrine - give me at least FIVE (5) doctrines that have changed. This should be EASY for you ...

Hmmmmm, I don't understand why this is such a difficult task for you. Let me ask you AGAIN: Can you tell me what the "RC Denomination" is? What does it mean and where did you get this terminology? Please, just answer the question so we can get to your false claims about the year 1551. Thanks.

Please list for us the Catholic doctrines that have "changed" over the centuries. Since NO other group "on the planet" has changed more doctrines - this should be an easy task for you. If you can't do this - then you will have to admit that you lied . . .

Before I respond to your false statement regarding the year 1551 - can you tell me what the "RC Denomination" is? What does it mean and where did you get this terminology? I asked you about this on another thread and you couldn't give me an answer.

That's NOT what Jesus says . . . Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Why would you say that it is NOT necessary??

And YOU can keep repeating that until the cows come home but you STILL have never been able to provide even ONE verse that substantiates your claim that we can "never" walk away from God. The use of the word "Epignosis" proves that we CAN walk away from God after being born again. On the...

First you say that I'm making "false" statements by pointing out the fact that you deny that apostasy exists - THEN you make the asinine comment in RED. This ONE comment proves that you deny that apostasy exists. ONLY a born again believer can go into apostasy of faith. A non-believer cannot...

And the point is that God NEVER stops loving us - even if WE stop loving HIM. That is true love - but it doesn't meant that we cannot walk away from him. NOWHERE does Scripture ever say that WE can't turn away from God. In fact, as I have shown - it warns us over and over what will happen if we...

And you wrongly divide the truth. Cherry-picking Scripture is ALWAYS wrong because ALL Scripture must be read in context - whether you divide it or not. WHO said that anybody has the power to "separate" people from the love of God. Certainly NOT me. Pay attention. Only YOU have the power to...

Romans 8:35 is about the love of God. It's NOT about salvation. It has absolutely nothing to do with OSAS. "Believing and confessing" is COOPERATION.

And YOU pretending that apostasy doesn't exist is pathetic. Apostasy is what happens to a born again believer - NOT a non-believer. It is the repudiation of a once-held position. It's not a matter of being "unconverted". It's about becoming converted - and later rejecting that conversion...

Ummmmm, I never said that everybody will be saved. I said that it is His WILL that all be saved. Big difference. Salvation IS a process - and Scripture is clear about this (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8, 1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14, Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor...

ONLY to people like YOU, who cherry-pick Scripture instead of taking it ALL in context. God loves EVERYBODY (John 3:16). He wills the salvation of ALL people (1 Tim. 3:4) but that doesn't mean that ALL will be saved - if they refuse to cooperate with His grace. NOTHING can separate us from...