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Talking out of both sides of your mouth again, I see . . . First you profess a belief in the false Protestant doctrine of OSAS. THEN you refute that position by indicating that it is up to US to endure in faith. And now, you say that you DON'T agree with that position - YET, you say that we all...

WRONG. We are admonished to be DOERS of the word (James 1:22) - and NOT just "hearers" like YOU . . . If you believe that Heaven and Hell are vacant - then don't know the word of God . . . Heb. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Then please...

1. We are given the grace to believe - but belief and faith is up to US. 2. WE choose to endure or to walk away from God (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19). 3. God allows US to choose whether or not we want to continue to...

Care to provide some actual historical documentation for that moronic claim?? OR, do you just like to repeat stupid things?

And why do you keep posting the same nonsense instead of addressing the questions I posed along with the testimonies of the Early Church?? I think you've discovered that you're in WAAAYY over your head here . . . You STILL haven't shown that Constantine had a SINGLE thing to do with Catholic...

Apparently - you didn't bother to actually R*E*A*D my post. I explicitly said: "Here is SOME of the evidence again . . ." In other words - it isn't limited to 13 points, my superstitious friend. Oh, and by the way - my avatar shows the Body of Christ, the Eucharist.

And Constantine had absolutely nothing to do with Catholic doctrine - which wouldn't make his the "Father" of anything - except for legalizing Christianity. And, as I educated you in another thread - there is no such thing as the "Roman Catholic Church" - so you re staring a thread under a...

Nobody is saved until they are in Heaven. We can have a moral assurance of salvation on earth IF we are Baptized and endure in faith. HOWEVER - Scripture never guarantees that once we come to Christ and are born again that we are saved "forever" - UNLESS we endure in faithfulness. Anything...

NOBODY is completely saved until they are in Heaven. As for the "unsaved believers" - I assume you are including the demons, correct (James 2:19)?? Commandments are and ALWAYS have been for God's faithful. NOBODY else is expected to follow them.

Instead of going to wikipedia for your theology - try reading the actual writings of the Early Church on the matter. While you're at at - tell me the name and/Or the whereabouts of this "true Christian church" that was persecuted by the Catholic Church. Finally - tell me why Jesus LIED when he...

Ummmmm, WHY would you call me a "Jesuit"?? That is a priestly order - and I'm NOT an ordained priest.

And until YOU can understand that the commandments in Scripture are for the followers of God - you'll never understand what it means to be obedient to Him.

An "Anathema" is only for Catholics. They don't apply to Protestants. You cannot be anathematized if you are NOT a Catholic. It is an excommunication - and you can't be excommunicated from the Catholic Church is you are NOT a Catholic From the Catholic Encyclopedia: Anathema - Placed on high...

We FINALLY agree. Good. OSAS is a false, man-made doctrine.

And ALL of this would be laughable - if it weren't so tragically ignorant . . . For starters - there is no such thing as "The roman Catholic Church". This is an ignorant fallacy - but you're not alone. MANY anti-Catholics like yourself believe in this garbage because you've chosen to swallow...

Saved is saved. If you are drowning in the ocean and a boat comes along to rescue you - and you get into the boat - you are SAVED. HOWEVER - nobody is forcing you to stay ON that boat - and neither does God force us to stay with Him. Soooo, you're NOT just believing? If you are DOING...

Sooooo, I guess the REAL question for you is: When did the Catholic Church originate? Apparently, YOU believe it was NOT established by Jesus and the Apostles - even though the evidence oif historical documentation favors the Catholic position. The onus is now on YOU to provide evidence for...

Then, we're agreed - God ISN'T a rapist who forces His love on us. Therefore, OSAS is a man-made myth . . .

You're not understanding. NOBODY was saved at Calvary - UNTIL they cooperate with that grace. Everybody was Redeemed (paid for). It is silly - AND heretical to think that we are saved by Christ's blood at Calvary if we do nothing to accept this gift. As for His shed blood - that's what MAKES...

And unless God is a Cosmic Rapist who forces His love on us - it is OUR choice to remain faithful to him. God doesn't drag anybody kicking and screaming into Heaven against their will - nor does He send anybody kicking and screaming into Hell against their will. Our will determines whether we...