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@Giuliano @Prayer Warrior Statements made….thoughts expressed....thank you.... *The point is that the early church did not depend on "Bibles" the way current churches do. They survived somehow. *One thing that seems certain is that the early Church Fathers almost never cited any books of the...

Context...what is going on as history moves....The ECF's only have so much access to scriptures....a large assortment of writings that are scattered. The choice of books are still in the running during the first few centuries......the Bible is not bound together as a book until Constantine. What...

That was to both of you....typing and watching the weather.

I am not doing the troll thing. But talk straight. You have to be fair....You say things and you know they are out of context....ECF's mostly quoted the OT...lol...what were they suppose to quote? You make it sound like they were talking about Judaism, instead of Christianity, and that is not...

You have really missed the point. The "new covenant" states that men do not need written words of other men, that Christians have things written on their hearts. Yet you want to void that idea and make the new covenant into a book. have things written on their hearts....how about our...

Going out on limb here. Not that all is known. I suppose there a reason that we do not have a clear description / understanding of heaven and hell. Christians have a tendency to forget about Shoal. The Jews even understood less than we do about the spiritual realm. They knew that they were...

A lot of what you are saying is true...as usual. You brought up atheists, how many atheists have I debated that I could tell they hoped I would win. Something inside of us.... with no present calling from read the Bible with understanding in his own attitude or spirit? Now that is a...

The problem of course is many of us too often have a mixture what we hear from God and what we hear from elsewhere. That is my point, whether you intend to agree? It is good to read God's Word...not man's. It is not a religion of men. I believe that God the Father and God the Son deserve to...

What you are saying is true...Still, it is what it is and the real applies. Grailhunter and Amadeus are translating the scriptures...with or without wine...that is up to you. Grailhunter says, "What do say we take the name of God the Father out of the Old Testament and replace His name with Lord...

Off the top of my head, including intentional alterations, deletions, and additions, around 30,000 changes. You can call it corruption, editing, tampering, deception....etc whatever. The Bible is what it is....a translation of the scriptures. Unfortunately a lot of fingers in the pie. On the...

Hey, you are the one that said that. I got that when I was young...don't ask questions eventually came to mean....they did not have clue and did not appreciate being put on the spot.

We really do need the Holy Spirit to lead us into ALL TRUTH.....You do realize that every religion of the 30,000 denominations say that and come up with different interpretations of the scriptures. Does the Holy Spirit have a sense of humor?

lol Thought I would give you some ammo to throw at me...mission accomplished. Thanks.

Now the concept of women being saved through child birthing was something the Jews could understand because in their religion, since women could not be circumcised, their connection to the Jewish covenant was through having children.

Humor, Grailhunter’s early lesson in theology….thought I would give you something to laugh at. I grew up with the Jews in University City and Clayton. As a young person I enjoyed comparing notes with them, but was startled to find out that they knew things about Christianity that most...

Looks like my grandson's face at the haunted house. Humor is the shield and knowledge is the sword!

When I am talking to someone that is a fundamentalist I try to stay within those perimeters. The discussion of the correct translation of the scriptures is within those perimeters. The belief in God, the spiritual, the Word of God, the power thereof...our understanding of any and all of that is...

Your job is to make everyone else positive......good luck!

All good...stick around

Part 2 to that discussion on the J’s As you have seen I use the term J Bibles, and that pretty much includes most Bibles, but that goes into the discussion of the J slam on the Bibles. You and I discussed the issue with God’s names. But that was only one of the casualties of the J slam. The...