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  1. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    I already have. I said Christ follower but you invoked some mystical synonym, like saved and reborn. And then you invoked another one for variety, “Converted IN Christ”. Honestly, I have no intention of keeping up with all your mystical inventions.
  2. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    It is the story of mankind. The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. My actions sometimes show that I am human and do not live the faith as fully as I should. For instance, I noticed you did not answer my A or B question and I don't feel as grace filled as I could.
  3. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Referencing the old covenant to justify your position because it is not correct doctrine. Why was the Old Covenant replaced? Because after 1700 years, the evidence was in. People could not meet the conditional if statement in Ezekiel.
  4. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    A distinction without a difference. In having this conversation, I feel like I am not using your special mystical words to describe a group of humans - who are sinful, by definition - in a manner you prefer. To summarize the Gospel, by accepting Christ, we get a heart transplant. We no longer...
  5. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Faith and belief are not the same. Faith has action. The gates of heaven will not be overcome by those who talk the talk but do not walk the walk. Internal Work and external works are not the same. The Bible says one will not get saved by their own (external) works. Agreed. However, it takes...
  6. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Being uncorrupt does not mean ones is uncorruptable. Being clean does not mean one can never get dirty again.
  7. Wrangler

    Romans 11 (verse 22)

    IF is a logical condition that means it is possible to proceed in an alternate manner ... where your salvation is not secure, right?
  8. Wrangler

    Miracle At My Church

    In 2020, the worship team leader, Daniel, felt called to lead worship elsewhere. Until 1Q2022, there were no more men on the worship team. The lone guy who joined then sang well. In June 2022, during a practice session with the worship committee, he felt 2 pops in his head. Getting a severe...
  9. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    I understand you are not going to debate Scripture because you cannot. All you can do is assert your doctrine, cherry pick Scripture and ignore verses and logic that don't fit. Hebrews 10:26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is...
  10. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Context. This statement was about defending the gospel of the risen Savior, not OSAS doctrine's time dependent function.
  11. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Notice how the OSAS folks just ignore Scripture and logic that doesn't fit with their doctrine?
  12. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    It's so funny how you arbritarily apply your time dependent function. @Michiah-Imla quoted 3 Bible verses. All you do is ignore the meat and go back to your kindergarten doctrine, as he puts it.
  13. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Conversion from WHAT to WHAT?
  14. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Some sort of mysticism? There is no salvation without believing in Christ. Peter believed this before denying Christ. You position is that accepting Jesus as your lord and Savior means nothing, only that your acting along a time dependent funciton. If a person nowadays accepts Jesus as their...
  15. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Where do you get this time dependent function from? John 3:16 does not say this.
  16. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    There is a verse where Paul commands, not fleshy people, but those who accept Jesus as their lord to take all thoughts in obedience to Christ. There is only one logical reason to say this. He knows those who have been saved by Christ could give into temptation to sin.
  17. Wrangler

    Why OSAS teaches all sins already forgiven

    Right, but you are changing the reference point from one who is saved and then turns from God to sin. You deny the very topic under conversation. Why does Jesus talk about salt losing its flavor and vines being thrown into the fire?
  18. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    An assertion is not proof. I proved you are misappropriating John’s purpose for writing his Gospel. Again, the Scriptural support for the trinity is so weak, trinitarians must rely on more ambiguous verses with full emotional investment, like John 1:1 and ignore explicit verses that undermine...