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:eek: Now you believe in EVOLUTION! oh no!!!

Compare to John 6:51 and see what you come up with. That eat does mean something different...

Let's clarify... The disciples who walked away in John 6 understood that Jesus was saying to eat and drink Him. They thought it sounded crazy and walked away. Is this not how you understand it? John 6:59-61 John 6:66-67

But He held up bread. And the two discples in Emmaus recognized Him upon the breaking of the bread. Blood - the life was in the blood. Jesus is the life. He gives us life or we are dead in sin. Sometimes I think it's so profound, I can't understand it all.

This is not very funny. Everybody knows it was an apple. Just ask any kid.

Check out what John 6:54 is saying in Greek. Eats = Gnaws I've always found this interesting. Did Jesus not use the correct terminology?

No. They were created perfectly. In fact, they had preternatural gifts. Gifts that went BEYOND nature, like for instance, immortality. They received the sin nature/flesh nature, AFTER they ate the forbidden fruit. And all of the effects of that sin are in us and in nature. Since they fell...

Thanks for posting the above. Your second paragraph has always been very interesting to me. How much proof do we need to show that Jesus is the Messiah???

I never said it's just a ritual. On the contrary.

I'm on the fence about this. I guess we're all on the fence about something. Jesus speaks symbolically sometimes, but most times He meant everything literally (actions anyway). I know that Jesus is present, I'm sure about that. The Real Presence.

I think that some disciples walked away because they DID understand. The first Christians were thought to be cannibals. John 6:66

I agree wholeheartedly. HAVING the sin nature or flesh nature is not in itself a sin. We all have the sinful nature. Not only do we have it, but we still listen to it at times. A sin is not a sin until you understand what sin is. Regarding free choice... I believe in free choice. We choose to...

I used to teach kids about the Eucharist. Did you ever hear this? There is form and there is substance. In everything the form can change but the substance always remains the same. With the host, the form remains the same but the substance changes. This is the ONLY time in all of nature that...

What concept? Could you narrow it down for those of us who cannot read that entire link...?

I see what you mean. But some verses CAN have, legitimately, different meanings which could be explained. I like to refer to John 3:5. Does the water refer to Baptism or Natural Childbirth? A case could be made for either by persons with initials after their names. But some verses cannot have...

Agreed. But some Catholics I know don't even like this Pope. I think all born again persons are following Jesus.

LOL What's the problem? You're just proving my pov! No matter WHAT the children think or believe, outside it IS wet! And THAT is the TRUTH. We could take it even a step further...: Sprinkling, taken literally and not as a mommy's term for rain, means it's only slightly raining. Raining, means...

I agree that the other sheep were the gentiles. Please answer this question: You say the other fold also includes ancient Isreal. Don't you believe ancient Israel was already a part of the fold? Were they not the ones to whom God revealed Himself? Did He not reveal Himself to Noah as He did to...

I usually agree with you Amadeus. But how could you say the Eucharist, or Communion, is just a ritual? Before Jesus went to His death He said, Do This In Memory of Me. Which memory? When He was alive or when He was resurrected? If we receive Communion, at His command, does it not become...

Hi Kepha, You mention the fourth cup and I had done a study on the cups and cannot remember too much. --- I will not drink this cup again until I drink it with you--- referring to the crucifixion, if I remember. It would make a good thread but I don't remember enough about it. As to the...