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"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."...

Yes, and when a person is burned at the stake, how long is it after natural life is gone that the smoke from the fire of their pain continues to rise?

I do not disregard any such commands if there are any. On the contrary, I continue to seek God's will in everything. I continue to strive to immerse myself in the Holy Spirit all of the time. That is to say 24/7! I thought that I did explain to you previously my belief with regard to studying...

Without dependence upon the Holy Spirit who will ever be an overcomer qualified to partake of the Tree of Life? You deny the power of God to do anything in and through us as we permit Him to work. We must permit Him to work because He gave us with what man calls "free will", the ability to...

Maybe this is supposed to be an insult or a complement? I have never heard the expression before...

@CoreIssue If your beliefs were completely right according to God then you might be right, but you have already admitted that both you and I have an incomplete grasp. While it is incomplete, only God is always able to exactly and correctly fill in any gaps as per: "But seek ye first the...

The wicked may indeed go to that fire, as if they tried to go through the flaming sword guarding the way into the Garden of Eden trying to get to the Tree of Life... and their result is seen in the strong soldiers of Nebuchadnezzar who threw the three Hebrews into the fiery furnace. They died...

The second death would or could be that which happens to person who obtained the Life which Jesus brought and then walked away from it. This one don't set well with believers in OSAS.

All he had left was a glimmer of hope. The fulfillment of that hope became a real possibility because of Jesus. In the eyes of God, men when born to a woman are effectively dead, but because of Jesus and the Holy Spirit they may have Hope. Without the Life that Jesus brought when their allotted...

I don't disagree completely that an understanding of all things may be necessary to be able to correctly even discuss all things. I am unable to discuss the whole of the scriptures on this thread. Probably you are also so limited... but the limits are ours, not God's, unless we limited Him...

Jesus seemed to think so: "And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:21-22 What God calls Life is NOT what man calls life! In the following verses we see where Jesus...

Your argument seems to be dependent on a belief in the Trinity. I won't derail my own thread to discuss the nature of God here. I will only say that I am not a proponent of the Oneness Jesus only doctrine as per the UPCI nor do I embrace the Trinity doctrine.

It means the loss of that which Jesus brought in a more abundant way: "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10 Anyone who has not met Jesus remains dead... even though he...

And these bodies are according to which scriptures made from what? Dirt and water? I have heard of the doctrine you allude to but have not seen it myself in scripture.

Thank you my friend! Yes, the flesh of this old man is slower now and is probably quite close to its final stop, but it is quite another story for the "new man", is it not? Give God the glory! When you speak of "very few churches" you speak of probably physical organized groups of people, is...

Well as you may recall I do not embrace the existence of a Trinity, but that is another discussion... not for here. And if all of the physical things and apparent perceptions of the physical senses of men are simply allusions that will pass away at the end our time as we become like Him, a...

@friend of For a start look at this verse: "Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish." Psalm 1:5-6 But then... Eternal Torment for whom...

Indeed the eye salve of Rev 3:18 equals the blessed eyes and ears Jesus mentions in Matt 13:16. This is the Holy Spirit of God working in us... if He is! Without the Holy Spirit, we are indeed blind to God and the things of God. And blind leaders...? "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of...

The confusion of men seen at the tower of Babel [Gen 11] and in the captive children of Israel in Babylon is also blindness to Truth: "And they slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah, and bound him with fetters of brass, and carried him to Babylon." II...

Indeed, but not yet the "face to face" vision. Better than Moses we should be able to see as per... "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." Ex 33:20 Although Paul denied having the face to face vision he held out a hope for it not expressed to...