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work biblical or common is the same again, If my parent came to give me a gift, they did the work needed to pay for it. and they did the work of purchasing it. then offer it to me it is not a work for me to receive that gift.. That is nonsensical. I also receive that gift because my parents...

its not irrelevant at all It is what scripture says God did the work by bringing his salvation to me. All I have to do is receive it But as many as received him, to THEM he gave the right to become sons of God, even to those who believe in his name Me receiving his gift is not a work.. no...

Yes, we have works of sanctification. which are what you are talking about here. Amen.. we are talking here of works of justification, Or a work one must do to be saved, The jews prided themselves on works. and crucified christ because they rejected the cross. Sadly. Many churches are no...

yes it is, Because they do not understand John 6 and try to make them both the same In John 6 Jesus said whoever eats will never die, never hunger or thirst. Live forever etc etc at the lords supper he said do this often in remembrance of me.. one does not jive with the other.

My church has a few thousand members, they concentrate on small home groups though.. Each home group is a church within a church.. They have used the model in acts.. where there are many house groups within the city.. and they all meet on the first day of the week..

This is not the same flesh and Blood jesus spoke of in John 6 though..

lol There is more to being a pastor than preaching.there is 1 on 1 discipling. there is small groups. there is all kinds of things.. Like I said, each pastor has a small group of people they are responsible for.. And all four take turns teaching when we meet. We have been doing this for many...

I think you hit the nail on the head. Pulpit? Where was the pulpit in the churches in acts? We have different pastors teach at our church. One will do a book, then another will do a book. there is no confusion. only unity. But I guess that is unheard of for you? Why do you want to control...

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like I said. we have a small group of 30 people. and we have 4 leaders who pastor our group.. God never said 1 oerson was supposed to do anything. Thats why so many churches have failed and why many more will fail.

Nope You posted what you think the church is. Pastors are more than just teachers. they are disciplers. And they should not be lone worlvs. you can not find anywhere in scripture where one pastor is in charge of a local church

Paul tells Timothy too work out the salvation he had. How many times do I have to show you where we are not saved by works Before you get it?

You work out the salvation you already have..not to gain it. Or keep from losing it You are claiming we have to work for salvation every time you say we have to work..

Lol You work to EARN a wage, You work to EARN a reward. You work to GAIN something, so you can puff yourself up or boast. Salvation is a gift. It is not a wage, it is not a reward, it is nothing I cna puff myself up wiht or boast. It is boasting in christ. Who did ALL the work. again, You...

A person who trusts. Someone else. Will try to be like them. Because they really trust them A person who says they trust someone, but never does anything they do. Or does not even listen to that person does not really have faith in that person. It’s a claimed or dead faith.

Amen No place in john 6 did Jesus tell us to do works. Or be good.. He said the same thing he did in john 3. He who believes in him will never die..

Thats not a work in the biblical sense. 1. That is the work of God 2. We do not earn salvation because we believe.

Then your not talking about biblical work.. All we need to do to invalidate universalism is the truth he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

Because this is what Daniel the prophet tells us..

Titus 3: 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us by the washing and new birth of the holy spirit Eph 2: 8 For it is by grace we have been saved through faith, and not of ourselves. not of works lest anyone should boast. Romans 4: For if Abraham was...