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  1. amadeus

    Did people receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues? Or did they speak in tongues ....?

    The scripture contains all we need, but it does not contain the understanding or interpretation which comes from the gift of God in and by the Holy Spirit in each of us. Because people who have that gift too often quench that gift, we have 40,000 denominations calling themselves Christian based...
  2. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    You've sidestepped my words and questions again. As you grow toward God there is more available to and for you and each one of us. Repentance is a good and necessary thing, but once you have moved past that initial repentance additional repentance is possible for additional growth only as the...
  3. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    1 On this part we can agree. You or I like Al Capone could perhaps mouth the words with no meaning at all with regard to what was really in our hearts. Who is it that looks at the hearts? "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2 He does, look...
  4. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    Many people will admit or preach or teach especially that the OT is full of types or shadows of the reality of God. They usually leave it at understanding the reality as we read it in the NT. But I find that many things in the NT are also still types and shadows of the God's reality. Tongues and...
  5. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    But that is not you! Even Jesus knew when it was time for him to remain quiet: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven" Ecc 3:1 "...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7 "Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they...
  6. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    Knowing what the written text of the Bible says and understanding what it says are two very different things. Without an interpreter no one knows a thing about it even though they may say they do and may think that they do.
  7. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    Then all of those in countries where it is illegal to own a Bibles are irretrievably lost even though in their hearts they hunger and thirst for righteousness? Was Jesus a liar? "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6 And this...
  8. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    You've sidestepped the difference between faith and knowledge. Knowledge is not required. Faith is and remember what Jesus said to Thomas? "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29 "But...
  9. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    To reject the truth means a person was not interested in finding it although the means to it was apparent or he had found it then decided to reject it. I find myself in neither situation.
  10. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    Yes, because you have reached a plateau and stopped instead of continuing to "come up higher" ...
  11. amadeus

    Did people receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues? Or did they speak in tongues ....?

    No my friend, the only real proof ,for or against, lies in the heart of the believer. Only God gives any real increase in the things of God. As long as you stick so closely to the things of men above the things of God, you will find yourself falling short of what He has available for you.
  12. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    So then even though it is not so stated anywhere in scripture, you are saying that anyone who fails to embrace the trinity doctrine as God's truth cannot serve the Lord? Even many trinitarians will not insist on that because they recognize that belief in the trinity itself is only believed...
  13. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    Or perhaps he [ @justbyfaith ] has allowed himself to be drawn closer to the Truth than your present mind-set would permit. Remember, Pontius Pilate's question? For Pilate there was no answer, even though before him stood the answer in the flesh of a man. How blind is a man who refuses to open...
  14. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    A long time ago, I learned from the Catholic priests and nuns. Then I learned from the Oneness Jesus only Pentecostals. Then I learned from an unnamed group who often call themselves the body of Christ. From each of these as I was drawn by God something not good was left behind as "I came out of...
  15. amadeus

    Did people receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues? Or did they speak in tongues ....?

    I have read already more history written by men than I need. Like my college learning, much of it had to be sifted through and cast aside as not be edifying. History can be useful in places, but to attempt to use it as a crutch to move toward God as a person desires to move from milk to meat is...
  16. amadeus

    Did people receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues? Or did they speak in tongues ....?

    You speak from the conclusions of men and accuse me of doing the same thing. I speak from my heart and from what God has spoke to my heart. You may not accept that, but my testimony remains my testimony even though your disbelieve it. Give God the glory!
  17. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    And you have accepted the conclusions of theologians you have never met. Why not accept rather the Word of God which God speaks to any willing heart now?
  18. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    Or did those who first described a trinity reject the One God which is seen in the scriptures by their complex and really impossible to understand phrases and definitions? If the trinity were true, no one I have met has really embraced it except by faith which is... "...the substance of things...
  19. amadeus

    Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

    And of course you are able by one single verse of scriptures establish absolutely this mathematical error as God's Truth. 1/2 plus 1/2 equals 1. 1/1 plus 1/1 equals 2. So then are you saying that there are two gods or two persons in Jesus? The trinity cannot be proven by mathematics nor by the...
  20. amadeus

    Did people receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues? Or did they speak in tongues ....?

    Dave try speaking only for yourself from your own heart about things you know or believe rather than from the opinions of men and/or those of the majority of people bearing the label of Christian today. You say that OT Israel consisted of mostly unbelievers, but why would that be different...