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Bad logic. Try as you might - you can't "pluck" yourself out of anything. You CAN, however, turn your back and walk away. I have posted about a DOZEN verses that make this point crystal clear.

The Bible teaches that we CAN lose our salvation by our own doing. The Bible doesn't need to show examples. The Bible talks about the 2nd Coming - which hasn't happened yet. How many people do YOU know that have seen it?? Is it false because there are no Biblical accounts of specific people...

No - you're anti-Catholic. This is evident by the many lies you have been caught in.

And you're lying again . . . NOWHERE in ANY Chuch document is Mary referred to as a "Co-Savior". That is heresy and the Church doesn't teach that. Can you stop lying long enough to have an charitable conversation??

No - YOU posted from Catholic Answers. I told you that they were a very good source but not the Catechism. Doesn't matter how many Popes have addressed it - unless they taught it definitively. They haven't - and that's where you're wrong because you assume instead of getting the facts.

Both can be shown from Scripture: The Immaculate Conception The Greek word is Kecharitomene that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with permanent result. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”...

It's not an official position of the Church - it's optional because it is not intrinsically wrong to believe either way. The Church takes the same position on whether or not Mary died before being assumed into Heaven. Catholics are free to believe either way. Your problem is that you assume...

Another non answer from our ill-prepared anti-Catholic friend . . .

Violence?? A desperate accusation from a desperate poster . . .

No - you ARE an enemy of the Catholic Church because you resort to telling outright LIES to promote your ideas. This is the definition of what an "anti-Catholic" is - and there are MANY of you on this forum. One point you just made was that the Church charged people money for the forgiveness...

Paul taught something wrong?? The Church doesn't teach that we are God's Co-workers?? You don't know what you're talking about. Catechism of the Catholic Church 306 God is the sovereign master of his plan. But to carry it out he also makes use of his creatures' co-operation. This use is not a...

They were married. The Betrothal period was the time before they came together and lived together. Matt. 1:18-19 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the...

Really?? Give me a few examples.

You have gone from being a fair poster to a completely dishonest one. First of all - I showed you the writings of the Early Church on Mary's Perpetual Virginity - and NOW you claim that "nobody" has shown you anything. Also - you present Matt. 1:25 as "proof" that Mary and Joseph had sex...

Are you unable to have a lucid conversation or are you just being silly? For the THIRD time - YOU said: "Hey Breadman, what's the new pope's take on Mary?" Let me ask my question in a simpler way so that you might understand it: Exactly what aspect about Mary are you asking about? Let's see...

I just proved you wrong with the enlarged, Bold RED text that shows this is NOT a formal definition of the Church. How could you possibly sit there and repeat your error??

Your question was: "Hey Breadman, what's the new pope's take on Mary?" I asked you: As far as what?? What do you want to know about?

See post #941 . . .

Though this teaching has NEVR BEEN AN OBJECT OF FORMAL DEFINITION OF THE CHURCH and therefore IS NOT INFALLIBLE, the Catechism of the Council of Trent gives perhaps the clearest example of the general understanding of the Church through centuries past. Catholic Answers, although a great source...

Nobody CAN pluck us out of His hand. However, in the verse I presented in post #1422, the Word of God states that we ourselves can walk away from Him.