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@gadar perets If he's right, we're all in trouble because we're worshipping a man. I have only recently been reading many of his posts, and often I find myself in agreement. Of course, I have not been a trinitarian for many years. I am against OSAS which is at least two points where we are may...

He is an old Catholic for the most part holding onto Catholicism as it was prior to the changes ushered in by Vatican II. It took me years understand that much about him.

I checked on T2O. He is still a member there. His last post there was 8-10-2018. His profile shows he is currently 88 years old.

@"ByGrace" Still Helen, no one has explained why @gadar perets is in error in light of the verse I cited above.

Did God conduct that research and provide you with the results to use to condemn someone?

But Job was certainly described in that first verse as "perfect". I would say he was perfect with what he had at the moment in the eyes of God. If any of us are similarly perfect, then then hopefully we will do a well as Job when we go through similar [in the eyes of God] trials as we walk our...

You still provided no interpretation of the verse. I support, hopefully, God. He is the only one I can always trust to be right on every point. Am I a Christian? If that means a follower of Christ I would say that I am.

Thank God it is He that must resolve any differences in the end of the matter. Men at times really make me wonder. That, of course, includes me.

I simply posted the verse which supported what @gadar perets said. Many people simply argue for what they believe without considering what the scripture says. If you have a different interpretation for that verse you should provide it rather than being sarcastic. Who does sarcasm edify?

And presuming that you are correct and it is a very literal implant for each of us. What happens to the guy who gets it done before he knows God and then he gets converted?

@friend of Welcome to the forum!

@justbyfaith "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matt 11:11

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:1

Aye, even as Joseph was given full authority in Egypt but was still subject to Pharaoh.

Could he have quit? As you say he has been around for a long time. I have wrangled a bit with him on a half dozen or more forums prior to this one over the years. Hopefully, he is OK. Let's pray for him.

Denn wer zu seiner Ruhe gekommen ist, der ruht auch von seinen Werken gleichwie Gott von seinen. von Anbeginn der Welt gemacht waren sprach er an einem Ort von dem siebenten Tag also: Und Gott ruhte am siebenten Tag von allem seinen Werken. "Und des Mondes Schein wird sein wie der Sonne...

Actually I have seen the Light which is before me and I follow it. It is seen in the brightening reality of God through His Son. You deny it in favor of the foolish dreams and goals of men which they continue to build on until they find them falling into the confusion of Babel.

I would say that the place of darkness is within unredeemed men. God has given us a choice between His Light or our own darkness. Adam and Eve chose darkness. The rest of us were born into darkness but God has made His Light available to us.

Not accepting it simply means your reward remains what it is. Your consequences only change when and if you accept it. Without Him we are all dead. Refusing His offer of Life means that we remain dead.

Would that be similar to the frog in a pan of cold water on that same stove with a high flame? He is cooking all of the time.