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A man-made criteria, revealing the idolatry of this doctrine for nowhere in Scripture is it stated that Jesus is God or that one must believe that to be saved.

Really? It’s all about believing only the Father is God. I believe in Aristotle. I believe in Napoleon. I believe in Jesus the Anointed (by God). I believe in President Trump. I am a unitarian Christian. This means I believe Jesus’ God is the only God. See John 17:3.

The Bible most certainly does teach adoptionism. We are God’s children, 100% like Jesus, selected by God.

LOL. Who selected Jesus?

I guess you place a lot of significance on this corrupted verse. That is, you are reading your doctrine into dicta. If the verse read, “Go baptize in the name of Moe, Larry and Curly” that does not mean they are a triune God and that are salvation depends on believing it.

Sure but there is not one such verse that declares Christ as God. Even if there were, God the Holy Spirit is not contained either. Just admit that the trinity is not in the Bible.

Only in so much as people confuse Cause and Effect. Salvation is like an inheritance. We are NOW in the will. It's just that the inheritance is not in affect until death. Or in this case, Judgment Day. We are already saved, the effect of being born again. Born again is the cause of salvation...

Not at all. Who gave his only son? God, in his unitarian nature, is how the verse reads.

The question was about arrogant blustering not "truth telling."

This other "belief" is not theological doctrine but using the power of the State to persecute other Christians. If opposing this by merely not engaging further in discussion is 'inciting hate' call me guilty.

My pastor recently said that in his life he is only sure that God spoke to him about 2 things - and that was after becoming a pastor. A friend of mine, a Catholic for 5 decades said he never experienced the Holy Spirit talking to him. So, that got me wondering. How many here don't have a...

It's THE EXACT OPPOSITE of a mess. Simple and clean. No comment to the fact that Jesus never taught the trinity? What's a good reference for this? I great book I read on the topic is "When Jesus Became God" by Richard E. Rubenstein. He delves into how the mystics and political considerations...

Oy vey. 2 people who claim to have a grip on Revelation are sharply disagreeing about God's Kingdom and one is calling the other a liar! Davy, it seems to me that ScottA is quoting Scripture @ Mat 12:28. Not sure how you can say its against God's written Word. However, I see your tactic is to...

@Truth7t7, don't you think it is presumptuous to tell a Mormon what Mormon's believe? Is that the most humble way to bring people to Christ.

Say hello to my ignore list.

I'm about ready to put you on ignore with that post. Scripture is NOT different on this issue! See Roman 14:1, 13. See James 4:11-12 Yes. we have one faith - in WHO, not WHAT. We have faith in Jesus, not your man-made doctrines. As someone observed yesterday, you are a good and devout Catholic...

Why, thank you.

I’m not confused at all. Being on the same page as another does not make you that other being.

There is no God the Son. The only God is the Father, who is Spirit. And if the adopted son of God did not die, like every man died - completely dead and not partially alive in any way - there is no Good News. See Ephesians 1 and Acts17:31.

Of course, we have words for stealing others words, such as plagiarism and copyright infringement but that has nothing to do with you reading into text spiritual dimensions that are not there. In the other hand, my pastor said this year that nothing is secular. It’s a bit of Circular Reasoning.