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  1. Wrangler

    God and political parties

    I guess I’m a bit of a deist in that regard. In today’s Devotional reading, Paul gave a couple of backsliders up to the Adversary. We live in a fallen world and I rely on the conditional verse of God’s blessing. 2 Chronicles 7:14-15 New Living Translation 14 Then if my people who are called...
  2. Wrangler

    God and political parties

    If Christians don’t involve themselves in politics, we condemn ourselves to be ruled by the godless. Our God is a god of order. One can see the chaos with the push of 57 genders, expanding to Babel language and the ascendency of Islamic Sharia Law in the US due to their having no such...
  3. Wrangler

    God and political parties

    Except for occasional lip service, most Democrat leaders have disdain for the idea of God. They know little of their non-voluntary agenda is in Scripture.
  4. Wrangler

    Refuting soul sleep, aka dirt nap doctrine

    Where do you get this idea? I like it. Just not sure I can find it in Scripture, especially with God creating Adam and there being a 2nd death. Seems as temporal as can be.
  5. Wrangler

    The jabs don't work

    Look. We don't need people like you throwing around facts and logic. The science is whatever we say the science is and you better follow the science or we will make you follow the science. And I'm only forcing you against your will because I care about you and others. :confused:
  6. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    I was taught Elohim mean heavenly beings. Not sure how you reduce that to 3. I don't think there are only 3 classes of heavenly beings. From Hierarchy of angels - Wikipedia. Does this not suggest the Archangel Lucifer was a relatively lowly angel? Highest orders Seraphim Cherubim Thrones...
  7. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    Not sure why you are personalizing this. Interesting how you parse 'consult' from 'include.' How do you include someone in a decision without consulting them? LOL The hostility toward Scripture explicitly stating God asked His Council what to do, then acted on what they said, is fascinating.
  8. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    Your doctrine goes against the Scripture presented. Fact is, God DOES consult - even if he has no need to, he chooses to.
  9. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    Since God does not change, we can only conclude that God takes people's input still and that Moses was not a unique exception. Regarding your truth-o-meter; I like your analogies. Mine is like a parent whose plan is to spend the day playing with the kids. The parent asks the kids what they want...
  10. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    I have no problem. You are the one who seems to split things for reasons that are unclear. The Kings Scripture referenced in the OP clearly shows God asking - and then acting on the answer he got to his question.
  11. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    Except for the MANY exceptions, there are no exceptions. Didn't God agree to spare Sodom if there were a decreasing number of righteous people? And if it is as you say, why did Jesus ask for his friends to be cared for in John 17? Since our input has no effect, why ask God for things? Why pray?
  12. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    Council means here what it means everywhere. No one ever said God has need.
  13. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    You got me. I must have fat fingered my repeated reference to the verse cited in the OP where God asked the Council, then acted on what they said.
  14. Wrangler

    Refuting soul sleep, aka dirt nap doctrine

    Great point! The process flow is critical to understand the topic of Soul Sleep. 1st, God made a body. Then, he put his Spirit of Life into the body. As Jesus said, give unto God what is God's.
  15. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    You pasted a copy for me to read? What nerve?! I posted it in the OP. Clearly, your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Here is another verse even more explicit. The way of God, the way of the Eternal, in this translation is to solicit and act on what the Heavenly Council suggests. It's so...
  16. Wrangler

    Does God Consult Other Heavenly Beings?

    You are in complete and total denial. You do not have eyes to see. Make a blessed day For 1 Kings 22:19-20 presents God soliciting options from the council and acts on the answer one gave to him about what to do - to achieve his end, God's Will. The fact that the verse is about a king is...
  17. Wrangler

    Refuting soul sleep, aka dirt nap doctrine

    OMG! The triune fallacy again. Paul talks about how the body has many parts. That does not make us a poly-une being. Why did Jesus say people who died where sleeping?
  18. Wrangler

    Refuting soul sleep, aka dirt nap doctrine

    There are no souls in heaven. Most of the saved are not going to heaven.
  19. Wrangler

    Trump

    I stopped keeping up with facts when I grasped axiomatic analysis. Consider the following: Abortion Gun Control Religious Liberty Mandatory Coronavirus Are you going to tell me that people, including yourself, should change their political opinion based on a new set of facts? If so, you make...
  20. Wrangler

    Refuting soul sleep, aka dirt nap doctrine

    My formula is correct. Yours is not properly reduced. A person does not have a soul; a person IS a soul. The soul may die. The God-given spirit returns to whence it came. People who talk about ‘immortal soul’ uses words incorrectly for the Bible not only talks about death but 2nd death. That...