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Your still trying to earn something God calls a gift. I guess if you want to catch all the basis just to make sure your saved. But to me, I just need to trust Christ, everyone who comes to Christ will suffer with hm, You can’t claim you believe grace through faith yet have to go through all...

Yet they rejected Christ and most of what they thought were in error. You Missed My whole point.

You just proved my point it’s harder for you because you have to work at these sacraments that David did not have to do David was still saved by faith by the way. That’s why Nathan said his sin was forgiven before David actually asked. And as David said. Sacrifice and burnt offering you did...

You will never have true faith unless you repent. faith minus repentance equals mere belief, be it in the form of legalism or licentiousness

I agree but when you think of it, if you think you can earn salvation pride is the root cause, so it makes sense you get pride as a response

Nope I am teaching repentance from dead works. and acknowledging our sin before God. Not trying to earn something that can never be earned

The fact anyone stands living and able to have the ability to one day chose to receive Gods gift is by Gods grace.

You cant earn grace. Its blasphemy to teach Gods unmerited favor must be earned by any means.

Amen we love because he first loved

So in your view, the jews, who had almost 2000 years of jewish truth, were right and Jesus was wrong? (Using your example)

Sorry I quoted the wrong post

So in your view, the jews, who had almost 2000 years of jewish truth, were right and Jesus was wrong? (Using your example)

Well David did not have to go through all those sacraments. In fact did he have a means of grace? It appears not from what you have been saying. Only your church was given them David had the law given by God himself. And it meant nothing. He could do all those works and nothing What about...

We should obey all Gods commands. Not just one.

Yes, that was was not physical water, it was the waters of baptism, it was a spiritual water, that NEVER lost its power to refresh, who drank of that water would never thirst again, in other words, they would never need that water again, just like in John 6. They would never need to eat...

One who knowingly rejects the grace of God has never been saved whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does not believe is condemned already. you should know this yur claiming grace is given through sacramental works of obedience, I am asking how an OT person was saved without...

Yes we have, that’s why I tell you I really have no desire to go through it again, you gonna always say your church is the only truth church and I have my private interpretation, hence it will never lead to fruitful discussion as for matt 18, we have had to bring people up to the church a few...

So it is harder for you to get to heaven than him? How is that?

I joined it 40 years ago when I came to Christ. The HS himself baptized me into it

Your right I treat all works equal. I asked you once can you answer. How was the OT people saved without sacraments?