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So if the person was never saved to begin with what is left except eternal life is eternal? call it OSAS, eternal security, the seal of the spirit, the hope which is in Christ or that he who began will complete it until the day of Christ. It’s all the same

Except you forget, we are dead because of sin. it is Adams sin which kills, that is passed by the man, that’s why Gen 3 said the savior would come through her seed not Adams, Adams seed did not touch Jesus,

Yet non of this proves Mary had no children just because something CAN mean something does not mean it has to. joseph did not know his wife until there is absolutely no need to even proclaim this in scripture unless Joseph eventually consummated their marriage, mary and Joseph did not die...

Jesus was conceived immaculate not Mary the egg Of the woman is not tainted with origional sin, that’s why no seed of man could tough the egg, because in adam (through him) all die,

People forget, the lord or God of Israel was Jesus preincarnat

Yes this I Can agree with

Nope one is a state of perfection the other is a work of sanctification which takes a lifetime one is claiming we are sinless which John said we are decieved the other is walking the race and allowing him who began a good work in us to Complete it Not sure why you can not see the difference

So this has gone to we can be perfect conversation (without sin) to a how we should act conversation smh

So Paul is a liar ok. Thanks

Do what?

I never said it was an excuse John said if we say we have no sin we are deceived I do not think the fact I continue to fail to love perfectly Means I am excusing my sin but I do think as John said if we think we are without sin (perfect) we are deceived and in reality excusing the sin we are...

Heb says I have it all but I still am not perfect. So do you think your sinless?

I believe if you are not for Christ you are against him. And as such are an antichrist and unbeliever and I think John tells us if those who claimed to be part of the church and left as those who were never of us John also told us those who live in sin has Never seen or known God. And those...

We do not run the race to earn salvation we run the race to do the “works god created us to do (EPH 2: 10) so we can be rewarded in heaven and recieve our crowns salvation is not a race or a pride to earn. It is a gift Of god paid by his own blood how do we feel when we work hard to purchase...

Lol the spirit of fear they preach they have to hide. Because Paul said god did not give us a spirit of fear but sound mind they have to somehow relate a sound mind to possible loss if salvation to me. That is in direct contradiction with each other

They can’t give you an answer lol

No difference and you made a point. Hence why we will never be perfect. Our love is not perfect love like Gods is

Yawn.

So you believe you can reach sinless perfection? How do? Heb 10 days I am perfected. Not that I am perfect. I have the righteousness of Christ not my own righteousness

Amen, but can it be more than that if we loved others as God loved us, the true defenition of love