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No It proved they have not yet attained what they are demanding the rest of us to obtain.. And then we must ask why, why have they failed? is it the same reason the rest of us have failed? Again, Have you obtained what your demanding of everyone else? Can you answer?

So why have you yet to obtain this status, And why are you judging others who have also not obtain this status?

Yes, But if we are not justified first, non of this means a thing PS. Are you perfect? Your brother answered that he is not perfect. will you?

Amen The works in verse 10 are not done in order to recieve the salvation of vs 8-9. but as a result of being saved by the faith of vs 8 - 9, and thus made new in Christ. Again, Welcome to CC :)

I see a problem in the thing you quoted. they say the following John 19: 18 where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center. If we look at the interlinear it says the following and with him two, on this side and on the other side, and in...

all I can do wonder

Good day sir

I chose 40 some years ago And yes, When you tell a person not even God can change our mind, it is a personal attack.

again, Personal opinion. No facts or evidence provided

I chose to follow jesus over 40 years ago. What you think can not change that

"no one, not even God Himself, can change your "mind" lol.. So now you are resorting to personal attacks? I suggest you back away from saying these thiings

Again, Amen and Amen!

Thats your opinion But again, You have failed to prove this, So I must disagree,, And again, if you are continue with just attacking my faith, with no evidence I will move on.

Yes, And I have based my view based on what you have said, and shown you why I believe it. And have yet to see you show me how I got what you said wrong. You just keep giving more and more examples. which continue to strengthen my view. Does not John answer this question? Those who deny...

Amen, Well said Sadly, People want to relate justification to sanctification or christian growth

Amen, and welcome!!

Sounds just like you Fact is, making strawman arguments like this, which can be turned around and be just as apply applied to yourself. shows that maybe just maybe, its all you have. And maybe I should move on from you also..

Well. You have yet to prove this point So I will continue to believe until you or someone else can show me otherwise. And if all you are going to do is say I am wrong in every post. I will discontinue any conversation with you.

Yes, This is how I see that you view scripture. And yes, it is sad

That does not say one can earn Grace It says in the whole passage, That not everyone the author spoke to were true children. In fact it speaks of being illegitimate children earlier We are made Holy By God. Not ourself. If we fail to recieve the grace gift God offers. We will fail to come to...