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I would certainly pray. Wouldn’t you? But I would do more than that. Do you own a firearm?

You’ve made the assumption that if I were armed with a weapon of the world that I would be able to do what even the police aren’t certainly able to do. Even if you were to show up at a school crime scene armed to the teeth with firearms - and assuming the police didn’t mistake you for the...

Do you own a weapon?

However I would choose to intervene, it would not involve me using a weapon of the world.

I would not “allow an unlimited number of little children in a school to be slaughtered rather than intervene.”

Neither Jesus not Paul killed anyone to do it. We’ve not been able to agree on that. Yes. That’s the role of the state. That’s a bad assumption on your part. Others here are aware of my work intervening on behalf of neglected, abused, and at risk children.

You’ve said that killing an enemy for the greater good is still murder. Doesn’t that make it one’s moral and civic duty to murder? I wish I wasn’t right, but that’s where you are presently. My hope is that you won’t always be where you are at the moment.

How many innocent people did Jesus and the apostles allow to be killed before they intervened? @Riven and I had a discussion about this earlier in the thread. It led him to conclude that man did better than God.

I’m glad to hear that, but what happened to your moral and civic duty argument? I think you would be if given the opportunity.

Why do you doubt it? The Crusaders didn’t doubt it. The pope doesn’t doubt it. Veneration of relics is a longstanding practice in Catholicism. When did the practice begin? The Crusaders were pleased with Catholicism. You’re pleased with the Crusaders, aren’t you?

How many people have you killed in fulfillment of what you believe to be your “moral and civic duty”?

“Some Christians are very curious, but not obedient.” - C.H. Spurgeon

I’ll look for the Vatican to release a statement condemning it. If that happens, I’ll post it. Veneration of relics is a longstanding practice in the RCC.

It’s an abomination.

Did you watch the clip @Riven? Do you think God is pleased with the practice?

That’s right. Follow Jesus and the apostles. That’s not the reason Jesus and the apostles gave for not killing their enemies.

Did Jesus and the apostles defend the Roman Empire? Was it their “moral civic duty” to do so? If you want to kill your enemies, go and do it. Jesus and the apostles didn’t, nor did they teach the followers of Jesus to do it. You would kill Christians serving in the military of other nations...

@Riven I invite you to watch this one minute clip. What we’re seeing here is the veneration of relics (specifically, the skull of a woman who lived in the 3rd century) by the Catholic Church...