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“Jesus the Messiah is the same yesterday, today and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8, NTFE)

For trinitarians who don’t see that it is the Father who is speaking in Revelation 1:8 - where do you see the Father speaking in the Bible?

I used Google search a minute ago using “Jesus of Nazareth is a Jewish monotheist” and AI overview offered me this: “Yes, Jesus of Nazareth is widely considered a Jewish monotheist by scholars and many religious perspectives. He adhered to the Jewish faith of his time, including the belief in...

The only way that it couldn’t is if the premise is wrong. What is the premise? -> Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist. It is the premise that the Catholic must attack but doesn’t dare.

https://www.facebook.com/AlphaOmegaCleaners/ If we press the idiom too hard someone will no doubt shout “Blasphemy!”

Yahweh expresses himself internally in what he thinks and externally in what he speaks and does. ”My words are spirit” (John 6:63). They are connected with and convey the mind of God.

God is always the head of the Messiah.

Sitting on the throne and reigning with the Messiah doesn’t make those of us who will God himself. David sat on God’s throne in Jerusalem.

In the eyes and ears of many, yes. In fact, no. In Jewish monotheism there is no God besides the Father. I don’t know whatever gave you that idea. I don’t have a lot of conversation with unbelieving Jews but when I have, the mention of heaven hasn’t been a problem.

To hear some tell it, the Father seldom says anything anywhere in the Bible. To a Jewish monotheist, the Father speaks incessantly everywhere in the Bible.

He just was transparent. I found it to be commendable.

That’s also the finish, as far as I’m concerned. You might persuade some of the trinitarians. Some are more zealous than others. That’s between you and them. As I frequently find myself saying, let everyone be persuaded in their own mind. I’ll leave you to it, but this thread is about who is...

I’ve known that for three years. Now anyone here who didn’t (if there are any) and those who will come here (in the future) has heard it from your own mouth. That’s the way it should be. I respect that. Maybe they’ll agree with you. I leave that entirely in their hands.

Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. I’m a Jewish monotheist. Jewish monotheists do not believe the one God is divisible.

That’s an odd thing for a trinitarian to say.

Thanks. I’m not persuaded by what you said.

You and I are finished. The full trajectory is finished in the New Testament. The church gradually went beyond that in subsequent centuries, beginning in the 2nd century.

Trinitarians and I have been able to agree that it is the Father speaking in Revelation 1:8. Trinitarians have disagreed with trinitarians and me that it is the Father speaking in Revelation 1:8. It’s the trinitarians who are divided on the question asked in the OP. I can’t resolve that...

Only in a world gone mad would trinitarian scholarship offered by a Jewish monotheist in support of the position taken by a trinitarian on a particular passage of scripture cause such turmoil from trinitarians as witnessed in this thread. *** I’m a Jewish monotheist and I’m able to agree with...

This thread was started because a Catholic member asked me yesterday to explain how Revelation 1:8 - which we both agreed is the Father speaking - is compatible with Jewish monotheism. It stemmed from a comment I had made earlier to him that, “Every scripture you quoted when properly explained...