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  1. Matthias

    The Chosen - Godly Truth or Dangerous Fiction?

    Those who fill their head with fictional Jesus are not filling their head with the real Jesus. You spoke to me about the real Jesus. Some know, or will come to know, the difference between the unreal and the real. Some will move past the unreal Jesus to the real Jesus. Many will not. Mixing...
  2. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    You’ve been refuted and don’t recognize it. What this has become is a debate. You’ve dug in your heels, as all debaters do. I’ve done what I’m required to do. If you haven’t found it persuasive - and you haven’t found it persuasive - then it would be foolish of you to believe that which you...
  3. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    This may sound harsh but I think it’s something that has to be said: Don’t allow the devil to tell you what the Bible really says.
  4. Matthias

    Continuing Education

    I completed “The Exodus Story” course this morning, four and a half hors of instruction (total), took all of the quizzes, and passed the final exam. A certificate - suitable for framing but won’t be; it will be placed in my private files - was issued by the College. I found the course to be...
  5. Matthias

    The Chosen - Godly Truth or Dangerous Fiction?

    “Bible reading drops to unprecedented low in America” https://www.denisonforum.org/biblical-living/bible-reading-unprecedented-low-america/
  6. Matthias

    The Chosen - Godly Truth or Dangerous Fiction?

    There is joy and sorrow. Survey says, people aren’t reading their Bibles. I don’t recommend using the unreal to bring people to the real. People easily get the unreal lodged in their minds. It can be. Sometimes. The Bible isn’t art. P.S. My advice for Christians who choose to watch the...
  7. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    The child is wrong and in danger. The adult corrects him and tries to get him out of harms way. In the word of an old hymn, “What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus; What can make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus.” People bicker and fight over so many petty...
  8. Matthias

    The happy thread

  9. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    @Pancho Frijoles do you see a connection between the bodily resurrection of Jesus (which you reject) and substitutionary atonement (which you reject)? If so, will you be including that in your argument against substitutionary atonement? If not, are you planning to start a separate thread against...
  10. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    So you’re good with the Ebionites. (And the Muslims.) They underpin your case @Pancho Frijoles. Is Jesus? Jesus sent Paul. The Ebionites and (the Muslims) rejected Paul. Siding with the Ebionites (and Islam) against Paul is siding against the one who sent him, and the one who sent him...
  11. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    The Ebionites were wrong on many things, this being one of them. Don’t look to the Ebionites. Look to Jesus Messiah and the Apostles. You know that Paul, an Apostle, teaches substitutionary atonement. You don’t understand why he does.
  12. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    The new covenant is ratified by the blood of Messiah. Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world; in the foreknowledge of the one God (not Allah). He was literally slain on the cross c. AD 30. He is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. He didn’t suffer for anything he did. He suffered...
  13. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    A question for Christian readers: would you tell a Muslim that the Muslim doesn’t understand what the Quran teaches? Some Christians do. The Muslim isn’t persuaded.and the Christian has placed himself in a precarious situation. Such an action might very well cost him his life. A Muslim tells a...
  14. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    I don’t want to “poison the well” by saying this but I think it’s important to point out - and @Pancho Frijoles might want to do this to bolster his argument against the necessity of substitutionary atonement for salvation - that the Quran doesn’t teach substitutionary atonement. Baha’i hold the...
  15. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    I don’t mind at all: Christian. To go into the reasons here concerning why I’m registered as “Other Faith” would take away and distract from the critically important topic of this thread. (I invite you to see my thread titled “Continuing Education” for the explanation, if you’re interested.) Is...
  16. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    It’s an anti-New Testament thesis. You’ve presented yours and the New Testament refutes it. The Book of Hebrews alone eviscerates your non-Christian apologetic.
  17. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Do you understand that you aren’t under the new covenant @Pancho Frijoles?
  18. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    You made that clear in your first post. It’s fine for you to participate in this forum. I was just trying to help @PS95 understand that.
  19. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Then your position has been refuted. Jesus is teaching substitutionary atonement through Paul. Substitutionary atonement is taught in the Hebrew Bible. It was there to point to the Messiah.
  20. Matthias

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Christian Formation & Apologetics isn’t a “Christian's Only” section of the forums. Some sections are; this one isn’t.