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I’ll personally hand $1,000 in cash to anyone who can demonstrate that I’ve never tried it. Why, I ask again, do you continue to do this to yourself?

The Pope doesn’t believe in conditional immortality. He’s, essentially, on your side on this issue. L. Ron Hubbard was a trinitarian? As with @Jack, everyone who disagrees with you doesn’t believe what Jesus said? I’ve chosen to believe in conditional immortality because that is what I see...

For “most“ doctrines it doesn’t matter? I gather that you don’t think doctrine about God matters. For which doctrines do you think it does matter?

What you’re saying about me you’re saying about all trinitarians who believe, as I do, in conditional immortality.

I appreciate that you have moved from “none” to ”not many”. That’s a start.

Whatever their doctrine was, it wasn’t in alignment with the doctrine / teaching / instruction of Yahweh. They turned from not believing Yahweh to believing Yahweh; they repented of their former beliefs and behavior.

Okay. I invite you to see what others see and you deny -> my quotations of scripture in this and in other threads.

I don’t deny eternal judgement. I deny eternal conscious torment of the wicked and affirm conditional immortality. I also reject any and all assertions that trinitarians who deny eternal conscious torment and affirm conditional immortality are “blowing smoke as [they] try to deny eternal...

I’ve never said that God has to ask my persmission to do anything. The thought has never entered my mind. See the trinitarian teaching I‘ve posted on conditional immortality, which includes this passage of scripture - or deny that I’ve even posted it in this thread and elsewhere.

See the birth narratives in Matthew 1 and Luke 1. Now we have the issue of preexistence. As I mentioned to you earlier, all trinitarians, binitarians and the majority of unitarians believe in literal preexistence. I’m a Jewish monotheist. I believe in notional preexistence, not literal...

The definition of insanity. Review the thread. Every time.

The fire did its work. Can you see the smoke that is rising?

What could be worse for them than the conscious eternal torment they’ve (allegedly) already been suffering for thousands years? What would be the purpose of judging them at the white throne judgement if nothing is going to change in their circumstance?

I’ve already provided scripture. You have denied that I have. They are burning in hell before they are resurrected for judgement? I’ve quoted you in every response I’ve made to your posts.

Jesus and the Apostles had a specific doctrine. They weren’t, as I read them, open to the doctrines of other faiths.

Jesus doesn’t believe all people are immortal. Where? Before they have been resurrected to be judged in the great white throne judgement? You’ve already implied that they are ministers of Satan. What a thing to say about your fellow trinitarians!

Neither burn forever. The language used to describe the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah is figurative. The eternal fire that burned them is no longer burning them. We can visit the area today and see with our own eyes that this is so. It is the affect of the fire that is endless. I suspect that...

The question is specifically concerning trinitarian ministers who disagree with you on this particular issue.

Scripture speaks about the cities. People / gays who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah, if I’ve understood you correctly. Others since then, too. Please correct me if I’ve misunderstood you and you believe there is no one at all burning in hell right now.

Trinitarians included, right?