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  1. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Trinitarianism, binitarianism and some forms of unitarianism. Conception is the beginning of life.
  2. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    I’m saying that Jesus is a human person, a creature, miraculously created by God (his and mine) as described in the birth narratives.
  3. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    A created “Jesus” is a creature; “another Jesus,” have said countless trinitarians down through the centuries. I believe Jesus was miraculously created by God in the womb of the virgin; that Jesus is a creature. That is, without question, not the Jesus of trinitarian theology. Whether or not...
  4. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    @RLT63 do you agree that the NT teaches us that Jesus was created in the womb of a virgin? Do you agree that trinitarianism teaches us that Jesus was not created? A created person is a human person. The second person of the Trinity isn’t a human person.
  5. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Thus far, mostly compatible with trinitarianism. Begotten by my father, conceived by my mother. The NT does teach me that. Trinitarianism taught me that Jesus was not created. I don’t know what that sounds like to others but that sounds to me like you’re saying that Christ created himself...
  6. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    What I see in scripture: Christ didn’t become man. Christ was born man. He was supernaturally created in the womb of his mother by his and his mother’s God. Jesus is a human person. Colossians 2:9 should be paired with Colossians 1:19. Jesus was filled with his God’s spirit, just as his...
  7. Matthias

    Live Forever?

    Thanks. A church member mentioned to me his belief that the source of all difficulties in theology can be traced back to the pagan Greek belief in the inherent immortality of the soul. He pointed out that belief in the immortal soul became accepted in the Church before the doctrine of the...
  8. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    It’s the battle against the gospel Jesus taught and preached that is of greater interest and concern to me.
  9. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    I think there are, otherwise I would still be a trinitarian. Trinitarianism acknowledges that a post-biblical transition took place. Trinitarians at the level of online discussion forums don’t necessarily agree that that’s what happened historically. For them, it’s “as clear as clear can be in...
  10. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    ”Many people today think that the essence of Christianity is the teachings of Jesus. That isn’t so … Christianity centers not in the teachings of Jesus but in the person of Jesus as the incarnate God who came into the world to take upon himself our guilt and to die in our place.” (D. James...
  11. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    So did I. To say that their confidence level was high would be an understatement. I’ve heard the same from trinitarians. Have you?
  12. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    “Unitarianism as a theological movement began much earlier in history; indeed it antedated Trinitarianism by many decades. Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian. The road from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not...
  13. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    My best friend in Junior High School was a JW. I had no interest in dating him, but he had an attractive sister that I would have if I could have. I learned a lot from them. All of my trinitarian friends call what that they believe “the truth”. I’ve learned a lot from them. What I’ve come to...
  14. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    We can write that down and take it to the bank. Solid. Grounded in Church history.
  15. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    While we wait for his response … “Unitarianism as a theological movement began much earlier in history; indeed it antedated Trinitarianism by many decades. Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian. The road from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one...
  16. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Disagreeing about the doctrine of the Trinity among you is a pretty recent phenomena. That’s what Dr. Brown was combating. If trinitarians of Reformation times had their way, there wouldn’t be any unitarians. Historically, unitarians have broken down into three camps from early on in the...
  17. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    “It is impossible to document what we now call orthodoxy in the first two centuries of Christianity; heresy often appears more prominently, so much so that orthodoxy looks like a reaction to it. But we can document orthodoxy for all the centuries since then - in other words, for close to...
  18. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Trinitarians disagreeing. More imteresting.
  19. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    My wife has a long-standing “rule” : If I bring a book into the house I’m supposed to take a book out of the house. I flaunt the rule. It’s unjust, I tell you. If I take a book out of storage, I put a book in storage - sometimes two or three - new acquisitions.