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  1. Matthias

    Who Do You Worship?

    You rested your case and aren’t persuaded by mine. All we can do is share with people what we believe and why we believe it. There was a time when I was persuaded by your case. I’m not any longer. I’m presenting my case to those who believe prayer is a form of worship, not the only form of...
  2. Matthias

    Who Do You Worship?

    Scripture shows that Jesus worshipped. Scripture also shows who he worshipped. If you don’t find it persuasive then it would be foolish of you to believe it.
  3. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    “The anhypostasia, impersonality, or, to speak more accurately, the enhypostasia, of the human nature of Christ. This is a difficult point, but a necessary link in the orthodox doctrine of the one God-Man; for otherwise we must have two persons in Christ, and, after the incarnation, a fourth...
  4. Matthias

    Who Do You Worship?

    I believe prayer is an act of worship and there are many examples of Jesus praying in the scripture. I find that persuasive. If you don’t then fine. Others will. Me - Jesus worshipped his God. You - Jesus didn’t worship.
  5. Matthias

    Who Do You Worship?

    That’s fine. I’ll continue mine. Prayer is an Act of Worship
  6. Matthias

    Who Do You Worship?

    No. Can you point us to any N.T. passage where Jesus engaged in practices which are associated with worship? Easily, I would think.
  7. Matthias

    Who Do You Worship?

    The man Jesus worshipped one person, his Father, the Father. With Peter and Paul I say, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” The God of Jesus is only one person, the Father. The God of me is only one person, the Father. Having that knowledge about me, you should (and do)...
  8. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Jesus is not a human person - in trinitarian theology. “The perfect human is not a human person; the perfect human has no specific human self.” (Henry Karlson, “God Became Man Without a Human Self (Hypostasis)”) God Became Man Without a Human Self (Hypostasis) The “perfect human” our...
  9. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Jesus is not a human person - in trinitarian theology. Are there any Catholics in the house who didn’t convert from Baptist (or another Protestant denomination)? The hour is late. I’ll be brief. Please see the Catechism of the Catholic Church. “Jesus is Not a Human Person (466)” (Mary...
  10. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Jesus is not a human person - in trinitarian theology. Are there any Catholics in the house? “Some months ago, after writing ‘Did the Incarnation Cause God to Change?’ I received an excellent follow-up question. Wrestling with my article, one of our readers could not get past how we can say...
  11. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Jesus is not a human person - in trinitarian theology. Are there any Baptists in the house? “There is only one person who is Christ, and that person is divine. Thus, there is no human person named ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Jesus is a divine person, and medieval theologians were careful never to...
  12. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    From the same article (see post #162) written by Dr. Patton, “We often employ illustrations that help us to make the ineffable, effable, the abstract, concrete. But when it comes to the nature of God, especially with regard to the Doctrine of the Trinity, illustrations should only be used to...
  13. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    When I was still a student, I had a trinitarian professor for a class who was adamant about not using analogies for the Trinity. Under no circumstances, he told us, was it ever acceptable to use them. Why? Because they are all false and by using them we would be misleading our congregations and...
  14. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Thank you for your kind words. By nature I tend toward being an introvert. I greatly dislike being the center of attention. It makes me very uncomfortable. Having said that … Among other things, I’m an ex-trinitarian, a retired civil / environmental engineer, a retired adjunct college...
  15. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    “… fewer and fewer Christians seem actually to embrace the belief known throughout Christianity as Trinity. As one modern Catholic thinker has said, modern Christians tend to be functionally unitarian.” (Roger Olson, The Mosaic of Christian Belief, p. 134) JAT isn’t reading Olson, or any other...
  16. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    If a person truly wants to be a trinitarian then that person must know and believe what the doctrine of the Trinity actually teaches. I would lose all credibility, and rightly so, if I said what @PinSeeker and @Enoch111 said about the doctrine of the Trinity. “I am formally educated in the...
  17. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    You’re attacking historical orthodox trinitarianism. I’m okay with that - in fact, I’m delighted with that - but personal integrity requires that I accurately inform the reader what the doctrine and theology itself informs the reader.
  18. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I’m formally educated in the doctrine of the Trinity. You aren’t.
  19. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Schlegel, as I’m sure you’re aware from watching his presentation, is an ex-trinitarian. I probably should have mentioned ex-trinitarians and non-trinitarians too in post #147, just for completeness. I didn’t because trinitarians generally just dismiss them out of hand. It’s remarkable how...
  20. Matthias

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    You’re greatly mistaken. “Jesus is a human person” is a non-trinitarian tenet, and it is antithetical to historical orthodox trinitarianism. This is easily confirmed by consulting Church history and the works of trinitarian theologians and scholars. If you’re either unable or unwilling to...