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  1. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Using your definition of death, 1. Did Jesus experience death [i.e. was Jesus separated from God]? 2. Did God himself experience death [i.e. was God himself separated from God]?
  2. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    I’m sorry. It’s still not clear to me from what you’ve said if you believe Jesus died and God himself died. I think a simple yes or no answer to each question would make it clearer to me.
  3. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    What I’ve apparently missed is your answer to the questions: 1. Do you believe that Jesus died? Yes? No? 2. Do you believe that God himself died? Yes? No?
  4. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Define my question? All I asked you to do was address the questions I asked you about Jesus and God using whatever your definition of death is.
  5. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Some trinitarians tell us that God himself died, but trinitarianism doesn’t. “If God dies, everything dies with Him. Obviously, then, God could not have perished on the cross. Some say, ‘It was the second person of the Trinity Who died.’ That would be a mutation within the very being of God...
  6. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Please tell me what you think it means when you respond to the questions I asked you about Jesus and God.
  7. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Do you believe that Jesus died? (I do.) Do you believe that God himself died? (I don’t.)
  8. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Continuing with the contributions of Origen, the Lutheran scholar Dr. J.L. Neve writes, ”6. Origen’s Helpful Suggestion. It was the many-sided genius of Origen that helped to solve the problem. Origen, like Tertullian, was strongly opposed to Monarchianism with its emphasis on monotheism to the...
  9. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    God-man (Gk. Theanthropos.) Occurrences in Paul’s writing - 0 Occurrences in the New Testament - 0 Neither Paul nor any other NT writer had anything to say about a God-man. Their God, the Messiah’s God, is the God of Israel. Theanthropos. ”The first use of the term as a theological idea...
  10. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    I quoted Schaff (see post #54) to clarify what I think it is. The Bible shows Jesus is a human person and his God is the one God.
  11. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    It’s not my distinction. It’s trinitarianism’s distinction. It’s trinitarian theology which says Jesus is not a human person. I say Jesus is a human person. Jesus is my Lord. His God is my God.
  12. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Then trinitarianism must make no sense to you. As a non-trinitarian, nothing. A human is a human person. I believe Jesus is a human person.
  13. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    I’ve always found this helpful in understanding why trinitarianism teaches that Jesus of Nazareth wasn’t / isn’t / cannot be a human person. “The anhypostasia, impersonality, or, to speak more accurately, the enhypostasia, of the human nature of Christ. This is a difficult point, but a...
  14. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    What do you think is the correct answer?
  15. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    I agree with trinitarian theology that God is not a human person. I’m not in agreement with trinitarian theology that Jesus is not a human person. When you read about Jesus in the Bible, do you come away with the impression that he is a human person? It’s trinitarian theology which teaches...
  16. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    That same wide range of views is typical on public forums. It depends on how well instructed they are in their theology and how precise they are in their language. The logic behind the hypostatic union isn’t particularly difficult to grasp, as long as we begin with the premise that Jesus is...
  17. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Being filled with Holy Spirit. The point, though, is that in trinitarian theology Jesus was not / is not a human person.
  18. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    “For, Jesus is not a human person; he is a divine Person who has taken himself a human nature.” (Fr. Kenneth Baker, quoted by Deacon Steven D. Greydanus, “Is Jesus a Human Person?”, National Catholic Register) Is Jesus a Human Person?
  19. Matthias

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    “Christ is a human but not a human person.” (Encyclopedia.com, “Person (in theology)”) Person (in theology) | Encyclopedia.com