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Jesus as alpha and omega. He was the first creation. And yes yes he was the beginning of God's creation. I can not deny what Jesus says about himself.

Alright. I apologize. Ref rev 3.14. "The Faithful and true witness" In rev 19 again states that this is Jesus. "The word of God. 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12...

Arthur81. You are putting the words from the pulpit over the words of our savior. Rev 3 14 precede John 1.1..3. Please watch the movie a lamp in the dark.

Again you listen to the reactions of man. If you can't belive the words of Jesus about himself then Satan has blinded you. Ok now. The wolves were already in the flock before Jesus dien. Well let's start with Luke 10.3, Acts 29.29&30 Col 2.8-9, 21.22 2 pet 2.2 So with evil in the flock...

I write the title this way so that we all may be educated thru discussion. KJV refs. Please add verse support in all replies instead of just flaming to other. I postulate that as being created in the direct image of God The Father that He also blesses us to be prosperous in all ways: in...

You have put the egg before the chicken. Bible interpretation is not flat. Versus are proven by other versus. So John 1.1. 3 prove rev 3.14 and col 1.15 and imply hebv1.1..7 for you angels ref. Not the other way around

I basically do not agree with any creed. Yes there are valid parts here and there. But the second man tells me what and who God is then I see that you have limited God

You have put the egg before the chicken. Bible interpretation is not flat. Versus are proven by other versus. So John 1.1. 3 prove rev 3.14 and col 1.15 and imply hebv1.1..7 for you angels ref. Your statement is what has been told to us since nicene. But remember too.laity were not allowed...

Yes I actually chased that aways. Could be and I won't tell you no. This same idea turns into John did not hang around the other apostles but did have access to the 3 synoptic parchments. But with that said. I would have thought he was present on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2.1 The words are...

Wow. Rev 3.14 These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Doesn't get much plainer than that

Firts. Thank you for adding verse refs. I appreciate it. Your words.. which addresses what is known as The Humiliation of Christ in taking on human form, Again this statement is a tradition of man that is post biblical. It is biased due to trinitarian beliefs which are not supported by the...

This is the 3rd time you answered w/o any support of book, chapter, verse. AFAIK you can't suppirt your theory in any way

Please lets discuss the doctrines that you think depart from the Bible. Also all that answer please add book/vhapter/verse as to why it departs from the Bible.

I agree. please post biblical refs as to why things should be as the person says they are

I am so glad that we have a decent discussion on differences. Fist my phrase should be man God epoch And as for your theory. Its not that I disagree its that I do not fully understand. I will go back and study yours. My discussion was started due to 2 cor 5 21, eph 4.7, John 3.24, rom...

KJV rev 3.14. Who is the "faithful and true witness", "the amen". The first creation of God. Col 1.15 also states that Jesus is a created being. Also heb 1.1..7 implies this. John 1.1. 3 also proves rev 3.14 Please brevet the words in the Bible over the word from the pulpit

I disagree with the HS instructed the writers of the NT what to write. In John 14.26 implies if the HS guided the writers then there would be NO differences in the individual stories of the synoptic Gospels. 1 or possessed men in the tombs. 1 or 2 blind that cried out for the "son of david"...

If ref is from isa 7.14, then this is describing Jesus and not God the Father angina making Jesus subservient to the Father until after the ressurection Ref before Abraham was i am is again proven in rev 3.14, thru John 1.1. Jesus is the beginning of God's creation. If you've seen me you've...

Please add scripture refs for the rest of us to learn and discuss

Sorry I differ on what I think you are talking about. If I am wrong please don't flame me. There are 3 man God epics. The first is the creation to the flood. In this epic God could not judge man due to gen 1 26..28. Man had dominion and lost it to Satan. So God himself had to destroy the...