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Bigape, I like the passages you use to make your point about church attendance. You make a very good case.

That's fine. The Bereans were noted for their nobility and fair-mindedness in searching the scriptures to see whether the things Paul said concerning Jesus Christ were true (Acts 17:10-12). So we should all follow their example.

I never said Jesus would go through the baptism of fire of judgement. I was very clear that I believe based on the statements of John the Baptist, that he was referring to fire as an allusion to the baptism the wicked will receive. Now listen to Luke tell us what John says again: Luke 3:16 -...

John, I couldn't open this link. Please link it again. Btw, I am enjoying the civility of the discussion.

Good points aspen. I don't know of Bishop Spong, but I'll look him up.

One tidbit I'd add to the idea of liberal v. conservative has to do with Christianity and not politics. It deals with liberal v. conservative theologians/scholars who deal with the Bible. Conservative theologians hold more to the idea that books such as 2 Timothy, Titus, and a couple of...

LOL. Yes. I know at least one source who associates liberalism with a mental disorder.

I have read it nut. I attend a Pentecostal church. My wife even says she speaks in tongues. I can think of only one instance of salvation, then the Holy Spirit coming upon them. That is with the Samaritans and tongues is not mentioned when they receive the Holy Ghost through the laying on...

Where is the confusion? You can't be a member of Christ's body unless one is baptized by the Spirit, yet we tell brothers and sisters they need the Holy Spirit baptism?: John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever - the...

Jesus, I believe was empowered by the Spirit resting upon Him (see also Isa. 11 which speaks of Messiah), but I believe, based on what I've read, that it was also His anointing. Whereas Kings/priests in the OT were anointed by the pouring on of oil, Jesus was anointed by the Holy Ghost resting...

I disagree with some of this. Jesus was not baptized to receive the Holy Spirit. Jesus' baptism, as I understand it, was to introduce Him to Israel. It was His anointing ceremony, much like kings/priest in the OT had been anointed by God (see I Samuel 16:13). John 1:26 - John answered them...

Hey all (hey Nut!). Good topic going here. As for I Corinthians 11:27-32, I'd like to see what people think of it as well. It does sound like Paul is saying there was a link between some Christians in Corinth being sick and their taking of theLord's Supper: Therefore, whoever eats the bread...

Good post. This is what I've come to believe in many respects as well. I was reading a Jewish believer who explained it much the same way. That Jesus existed eternally with the Father and came out of Him into the World as a man/human. However, by wrapping Himself up in flesh, Jesus never...

That is exactly what I thought you would say and I must respectfully disagree with the definition you listed for tongues. We can discuss Acts 2 a little more if you wish and you will see why I truly believe the scripture does not teach it is an unknown/heavenly/spiritual language. Btw, I've...

Forgive me, I'm new to responding to point by point. But what again, do we mean by "tongues", since that really is part of the issue.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic. I don't believe Judas was ever a believer that Jesus was the Christ, certainly not the Christ presented in OT scripture. But I'll add one additional verse that deals with Judas and it comes from Jesus again, this time in Matthew 26:23-24...

Can you show me specifically where it says God burns up the unrighteousness in saints? Passages always help. Kai is used for the word "and" in the text so I believe it is translated properly and the very next passage tells us who the fire is reserved for. Wheat (saints) are gathered into the...

My response britguy. John said Jesus would baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire. He then tells us what the Holy Ghost baptism is and what the baptism by fire is. Matthew 3:11-12 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am...

How do we reconcile Judas being a believer with Jesus' own words that Judas was not? Jesus called Judas a "devil" (John 6:70). In John 6:64, John writes: "But there are some of you who believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not and who should betray Him." It...

Yes Mercy. It appears Judas was "lost." I looked up the phrase "son of perdition" and it only applies to two people: Judas and and the Antichrist. And you are right Mercy about the use of the word perdition and what it means. If we look at the way the word is used in the NT, it leaves...