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  1. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    Rev 9:1 "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to earth (Lk 10:18). The star (Satan) was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he (Satan) opened the Abyss... v. 3 And out of the smoke (from the Abyss) locusts came down on earth...v. 11 "They...
  2. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    This "Apollyon" of Rev 9 can not be Satan, because the verse specifically says that it is Satan who releases him from "Abyss" (Rev 9:1,2)...Apollyon is the fallen angel who led the fallen angels during the antediluvian period when they forcibly mated with women in an attempt to defeat God and...
  3. Richard

    Coming Antichrist Is Not Of Islam

    Where, in Scripture, does it say that the Jewish people will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah?...My Scripture tells me that Satan and his Antichrist and their "Kingdom of the Antichrist"/empire will persecute the Jews of Israel (Rev 12:1, 13-14). Of the three eschatological time frames...
  4. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    You are right in that Revelation 13 covers "two of the three beasts" of Revelations...The first is, indeed, The Kingdom of the Antichrist, but I fail to see how one could interpret "Satan as its king" as you argue? Satan has never wanted to be a "king" as far as I know. I think that would be...
  5. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    You are right when you write "Rev.13:11-18 Scripture does not mention the "false prophet"." The "beast" of Revelation 13:1-10 is "Mystery Babylon" (Rev 17:6,15) the false/heretical religious system that the fourth empire of Daniel 7 will be built upon, the same heretical Gnostic religion that...
  6. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    You are right, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon" Revelation 13:11 does speak about the False Prophet, referring to him, as it does, as "another beast."...Answer me this, my friend; explain the "two horns like a...
  7. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    I see things a little differently than you do Bob...You write, for example "regarding the False Prophet, you might be right but that being said the whole discussion regarding who is who is somewhat academic isn’t it?" I don't see the False Prophet as being merely "academic" at all. Obviously the...
  8. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    You are absolutely right - in part - Bob when you write "The whole point of the pressure by the AC (Madih = Mahdi) upon the world is to separate those whose names are written in the Lambs Book of Life and those who don’t really belong." That is the whole point behind the infamous "Mark of the...
  9. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    True, the Jews will never bow to an Islamic Caliph pretending to be God (Jesus Christ). But that fact along does not mean the Antichrist will not be an Islamic Caliph...The Christians will not bow to any Islamic Caliph pretending to be God either; Does this mean the Antichrist can not be a...
  10. Richard

    The Assyrian Anti-christ

    Antiochus Epiphanes never ruled Babylon at any time. So how the author could argue that, because he did, he, then, must be seen as the "Assyrian" is just poor scholarship...Moreover, you quote Isa. 10:24 "Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of...
  11. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    Very good Bob, you are actually closer than you realize...It is the final Caliphate that is the dreaded fourth empire of the Book of Daniel...The Caliphate will be reestablished under Gog, of the land of Magog (Eze. 38). Islam has not known a caliph since the assassination of Ali in the early...
  12. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    Prophecy, my friend, was given to us for a reason. You can choose to ignore it if you like, but please, don't encourage others to ignore that part of God's revelation as well... You ask "Do you really believe that God cares two hoots whether you're a Muslim sinner or a Jewish sinner or a...
  13. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    I don't know where you get that "the word fallen means to descend from a higher place to a lower?" The Greek used is "pipto," and it is used seven times (The number of completion. John uses the number seven 42 times in the book of Revelation, Rev. 2:5, 14;8, 14:8, 17:10, 18:2, 18:2). With the...
  14. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    There are many lessor "Caliphs" of lessor known Islamic "kingdoms" you could have mentioned. But the whole point is that under Islamic tradition, one can only be considered Caliph if he rules over a united Islamic Empire (Sunni Shiite) like the first five caliphs did. Those are not my rules, but...
  15. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    These MUST be "Five Kings (Caliphs)" who have ruled the reunited empire of the Book of Daniel...None of these five, some of which have not yet "fallen (died)" have ever been considered a Caliph by anyone at any time - nor did they reunite the Islamic Empire. You are confusing the "ten kings"...
  16. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    As far as I am aware of, no one - Christian or otherwise - has ever successfully identified the eight kings of Revelation 17:10. Many have tried, including many of the Early Church Fathers. Because of the dominance of the Imperial Roman Empire in the first century A.D., many of those same Church...
  17. Richard

    Identifying The Eight Kings Of Revelation 17:10

    As far as I am aware of, no one - Christian or otherwise - has ever successfully identified the eight kings of Revelation 17:10. Many have tried, including many of the Early Church Fathers. Because of the dominance of the Imperial Roman Empire in the first century A.D., many of those same Church...
  18. Richard

    Identifying the Beasts of Revelations

    You answer your own question, Trekson, but then you completely miss the correct answer: The Beast[s] of Daniel 7 are, indeed, the same Beast[s] of Revelation 13. It is just that Revelation gives the same set of Beast[s] of the Book of Daniel in reverse order. Daniel speaks of "the first was like...