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No, 35 years of experience doing exactly what i baring witness to.

Right, scripture as it was written in the Greek, not so much as in the English.. The Greek word used to communicate the word "Word" in the parable of the sower is "Logos" 3056. Logos is "an expression of thought- not the mere name of an object. As embodying a conception or idea." Strongs The...

You kind of entered into this discussion mid stream, are you in agreement with the first 3 steps?

The only problem is the words believe, believer, and believing are mistranslated words. The Greek word pisteuo couldn't be correctly translated into the English. The English doesn't have a corresponding verb to our noun "Faith" like the Greek does for its noun "pistis". This is very difficult to...

Okay, you see the seed as the "word of God", and i see it as Christ Himself. Question: Exactly what "word" are you referring to, or saying the Bible is referring to. The "word" as you are using as a context would not be compiled until the 1500's. Jesus is the word in carmate. What word are...

These are the things that must happen during the salvation journey and in the correct order. Believing and receiving in one moment in time is not true NT saving Faith.

So to recap.. 1) we're called by the Father. 2) We respond by a turning from our way to the direction of the caller in our minds. (repentant act) 3) We then take our first step of Faith or pisteuo towards God by making a genuine surrendering of our lives o Him, living a life inspired by such...

Yup, got it Marks. Thank you.

Thanks Hidden.

I understand the soil to be "our" Faith, our faithing, our continually surrendered life. The seed is Christ Himself, a real living person. The produced crop is "the relationship" with Jesus Christ a real living person, not just His word. "He" being the object of Faith, not Gods Word. In my...

If the majority of christians believe their Christians, can we assume it's true?

On the main pages of the forums, sometimes there is a "little eyeball" that shows up. Not on all or even very many threads, just a very few. What does that eyeball mean? It's to the left of the replies and views box. thanks

So to recap.. 1) we're called by the Father. 2) We respond by a turning from our way to the direction of the caller in our minds. (repentant act) 3) We then take our first step of Faith or pisteuo towards God by making a genuine surrendering of our lives o Him, living a life inspired by such...

Sure is a little vague. Do you have any questions or want to discuss a specific happening, or timing of the specific happening? If "sure' is your response and are in agreement, why do you agree with it?

Well I'm pleasantly surprised that were still in agreement at this point in the journey. This is ussually where I loose people. This is the point in the process where most called out ones stand on the 'believe and recieve' doctrine. It takes a lot to disassemble that mistranslation and it never...

Okay. So we've made a repentant turn towards the caller or the Father. No Spirit of Christ yet so His Word and promises are not ours yet either. We'll call the next step 6, or what is the initial or first act of Faith is. The Father calls, we turn towards the caller, "we then take or first...

I think we agree close enough on step one, two, three and four to look at the next happening. But first we need to agree that at the 4th step or repentance, we do not have the Spirit of Christ yet. If we agree on that, Christ is none of ours at that point. This also means His word and the...

Thanks for acknowledging my intent. I'm really just looking for an honest discussion about this important subject. Although i agree with your understanding concerning "the soul", I'm trying to focus on what "our" response, "our" responsibility, to what's mandated in Gods word to recieve His...

Great taken, we're in agreement so far. The next step I would present to you, lets call it step 5. 5) As the result of the Father calling us out, we turn from our way to the direction of the caller in our minds. This is an act of repentance in its simplest terms. A lot has been attached to what...

No disagreement with this. But not really the perspective of this discussion.