yes i agree with the way you say it but why did Ronald says also God punished him, did you miss this part
post no 18
""Jesus was sinless,
until on the cross
God made Him to be our sin and punished Jesus as our sin.""
and post 19;
""Jesus the sinless God/man was made to be sin at the cross by God the father. You either have to accept all the passages at face value or then you have to go reinterpreting the 2 Cor. 5 passage just because it is hard for many to accept.""
he really believes Jesus became sin and God punished him. ihe keeps repeatng it we both understans but i dont think he does. its the same problem as the last supper when jesus said
Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed
it, and brake
it, and gave
it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave
it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
some people think the bread turns info Jesus flesh and the wine turns into blood.. at communion....madness.
OK - In order for CHRIST to shed His Blood for the Brit Chadasha/Yeremiah 31:31-34 what MUST take place???
Answer: Isaiah 53
Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But
He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, =
the punishment
מוּסַ֤ר (
mū·sar)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4148: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening
And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see
His seed, He shall prolong
His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul,
and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
