“The Seed” of Christ

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“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His ‘seed’ remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God” (1Jn 3:9).

“His seed” is not the Lord Jesus, who would never be styled as such, but rather in His title. Nor is it the Holy Spirit, who also is always named such. It is something that is “created.” It is the “new man,” the holy nature born from the “divine nature” of Christ—created by Christ—which can never decrease! This is what is termed “created in righteousness and true holiness,” and “who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him” (Eph 4:24; Col 3:10).

In which assigns believers as “partakers of the divine nature” (2Pe 1:4). Not making one divine, but only “partakers” or recipients, in which the believer, along with the sin nature has been given a holy nature, which “cannot sin.” Thus Christians alone possess a dichotomy of contrasting natures, with the old man always coming short in the outcome; natural man with the single sin nature; and the Lord Jesus with a single nature—the Divine Nature! The crux is that of not wanting to sin intentionally, as Paul said, “The evil I do not want to do . . . Now if I do what I do not want to do” (Ro 19, 20). Paul even goes as far as to say, “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwelleth in me” (Ro 7:17, 20). Of course, he is not disclaiming ownership of the sin, because the old man yet abides within. He is just revealing a fact.

Hence the dichotomy of the Christian is thus reveled by Paul saying he is sinning with the old nature or old man, like any believer; but he in his new man or new nature “serves God” (Ro 7:25). The reason why he can say “it is no longer I who do it,” is due to the position that he is “not in the flesh” (Ro 8:9), i.e. not “willfully” pursuing evil nor desiring it (Heb 10:26; Num 15:30).

John Gill: “the new man”; “for this is a creation work, and so not man's, but God's; and is made not after the image of the first man, no not as innocent, and much less as fallen; but after the image of Christ, to which the elect of God are predestinated to be conformed, and which is stamped in regeneration; and more and more appears by every transforming view of Christ, and will be perfected in heaven, when they “shall see Him as He is” (1Jo 3:2), and be perfectly like Him, who is not only the pattern, but the Creator of it, even the Author and Finisher of faith.”
 
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Later English Bible translations try to get away from the idea of the 'flesh' that Paul was contrasting with The Spirit in Romans 7 & 8. The KJV makes it plain that Paul was pointing to our flesh body that wars against our spirit, and not some philosophical seminary idea man created like 'human nature', or 'sin nature'.

Rom 8:1-11
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the
flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from
the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do,
in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you,
the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of Him That raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
He That raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
KJV

That last statement by Paul in the 11th verse some confuse thinking Paul was speaking of our flesh body being what is 'quickened'. Some even go so far in that error of thinking to believe that our flesh body can be made perfect at the future resurrection. But Lord Jesus said in John 3 that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. The "mortal" part we have is about our 'mortal soul' inside our flesh that is joined with our spirit body. That... is what The Spirit quickens.

Rom 7:16-25
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from
the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV

There is NO escape during this present world; the flesh of everyone serves that "law of sin" Paul pointed out. In Galatians 3:22, Paul even said that the Scriptures has concluded all... under sin, so that the Promise by Faith of Jesus Christ would be to those who believe.
 

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Later English Bible translations try to get away from the idea of the 'flesh' that Paul was contrasting with The Spirit in Romans 7 & 8. The KJV makes it plain that Paul was pointing to our flesh body that wars against our spirit, and not some philosophical seminary idea man created like 'human nature', or 'sin nature'.
Hi Davy, trusting all is well! If we think about, the physical body is often used for sinning but is not responsible, because it's the soul in one's spirit that makes the decisions. The body is just and object, and can be misused!
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The carnal mind is the "flesh" or "old man, i.e. sin nature.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The flesh, or sin nature is in us, but "Ye are not in the flesh," or sin nature. It is in us but we are not in it!
 

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Hi Davy, trusting all is well! If we think about, the physical body is often used for sinning but is not responsible, because it's the soul in one's spirit that makes the decisions. The body is just and object, and can be misused!

No, that above is a Modernist idea.

Rom 6:6-7
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
KJV

Paul is not referring to the idea of one's soul in the above. He is referring to the flesh body as root cause of sin, as also throughout the Romans 7 Chapter.

It's OK to admit that we, our individual 'person', represented by our soul, has the final decision to sin or not, but what is the root cause to temptation for this present world? It's not just a philosophical idea like 'human nature', it is indeed about the lusts and pleasantries that the flesh body causes.

What was it that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden? Pleasantries of the eyes, and lust after the fruit...

Gen 3:6
6 And when the woman saw that
the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
KJV

1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
KJV



The carnal mind is the "flesh" or "old man, i.e. sin nature.

The flesh, or sin nature is in us, but "Ye are not in the flesh," or sin nature. It is in us but we are not in it!

Apostle Paul only used that as a philosophical idea for being in Christ. He never meant we are literally... no longer in flesh bodies. And instead of teaching Christ's future Kingdom and Salvation in the 'now' while in these flesh bodies, Paul showed Christ's future literal Kingdom is still yet to come, and will be of the world to come, not this present world.

Thus many of man's Modernist thinking in the seminaries continue the early Church's belief that Christ's Kingdom is established on earth now, since the cross, when Lord Jesus even showed in John 18:36 that His Kingdom is not of this present world, and is still expecting when He returns.
 

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It's ok if we differ concerning this issue, and thanks for replying, God bless!

I still have to WARN about the times; that is my calling from God. And many brethren today are not being prepared to understand just how this present world time is NOT... Christ's Kingdom that is still yet to come. And of course I am speaking of Christ's future LITERAL PHYSICAL KINGDOM that per God's Word is to be established literally... upon this earth over ALL... nations, with Jesus as KING upon His Holy Hill Zion in the new Jerusalem on earth (Psalms 2; Rev.2). That will ONLY happen at Lord Jesus' future 2nd coming, His return back to this earth.

What men's Preterism confuses about Christ's Kingdom is trying to claim all that has already happened when it clearly has not, because Lord Jesus has not returned to this earth 'physically', like He and His Word promises and declares. Nor are today's Christian Churches ruling over all... nations today, which Jesus also promised His elect saints that will reign with Him at His future 2nd coming.

Because of the defeat of the Jews and destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple by the Romans in 70 A.D., the early Christian Church believed Christ's literal physical Kingdom had then come at the cross. They even began attempting to conquer Jerusalem and set it up as the Christian capitol for all nations. God did not allow it, why? Because this present world time is NOT Christ's Kingdom to come, even as Jesus said in John 18.

What HAS... come on earth at Christ's cross is
His Kingdom of The SPIRIT.

That is why Jesus said in Luke 17:21 "the Kingdom of God is within you." That literally means of The SPIRIT within us, The Holy Spirit, per God's Promise per The New Covenant.

This is why and how this present world, cannot 'physically' control Christ's Church on earth today. Instead, only those who fall away that are deceived can be controlled by today's world. And this present world is given to Satan to reign over, as shown with his temptation of Lord Jesus in Luke 4, offering Jesus all the kingdoms of this world.

Lord Jesus' Word in John 18:36 that His Kingdom is not of this world is true, otherwise His servants would fight to not have Him delivered up to be crucified. It would mean Jesus as KING sitting in Jerusalem and literally reigning over ALL... nations today. That simply is NOT happening with His Church of The SPIRIT today. And Satan's control over today's world is to get much, much worse up to the time of Christ's future return.

Already in the 20th century, an open establishing of a united nations movement towards a "one world government" has been openly at work. What Lord Jesus showed us in Revelation 13:1 about the coming beast kingdom that is to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, is literally coming to pass today in this present time. The Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture even declares the whole world will worship the "dragon" (another title for Satan), and he will be given power over all nations and peoples for forty two months. And he will deceive the whole world, except those whose names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (i.e., Christ's very elect).

So HOW are Christian brethren going to get that WARNING from Lord Jesus ABOUT THE END and that one-world beast kingdom and false-Messiah while preachers push the fallacy that Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth over all nations?? and even that Jesus is reigning over all nations today on top of that??
 

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I still have to WARN about the times; that is my calling from God. And many brethren today are not being prepared to understand just how this present world time is NOT...
That's good to hear, keep it up, and God bless my Brother!