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1 Co. 3:16-17 - “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”



I believe this to be the most abused verse in the bible. For decades and possibly centuries preachers have been using this verse to put a spirit of bondage on the parishioners that God never intended. Using this verse they have created whole categories of “sins”, that really are not sins. With this verse they have condemned all tobacco users, dancing,


Rock ‘n’ roll music among others, occasional drinkers, even lottery players. Some have even taken it to the extreme to demand some change their diets. They have demonized some with emotional disorders like self-cutting when they should have offered them love instead.



The problem is within the context it isn’t even speaking of our physical bodies, it’s speaking of the small corporate body of believers we call the local church, in this instance the Corinthian church. Let me show you how some other versions put it.



1 Co. 3:16-17 (AMP) “Do you not discern and understand that you [the whole church at Corinth] are God's temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you [to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually]? (words in parenthesis original to text)


17If anyone does hurt to God's temple or corrupts it with false doctrines] or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him. For the temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that [temple] you the believing church and its individual believers] are“.



1 Co. 3:16-17 (CEV) “All of you surely know that you are God's temple and that his Spirit lives in you. 17Together you are God's holy temple, and God will destroy anyone who destroys his temple.”



As you can these verses are talking about the whole church. Yes, we individually, are the temple as well, but Paul tells us a little later exactly what constitutes a sin against the temple of our bodies.



1 Co. 6:18 - (NIV) “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.”



There are enough sins listed in the bible without man adding a bunch of other “perceived” sins, that are not sins at all. Here’s a verse that adds to this line of thought and shows our freedom from the law as well.



Col. 2:20-23 (NIV) “Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.”



There is also 1 Co. 10:23 (NIV) “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.”



Some people teach that all bad habits are sin and that is just not true. Others go and teach that if one commits any of these “sinful” behaviors, they are not being holy. Rubbish! Being holy is not a list of do’s and don’ts. Holiness is measured by how much of Christ’s spirit/character we reflect to those around us. To those that believe our holiness is based on our behavior, I ask this question: Is an atheist who doesn’t smoke, drink or play the lottery more holy for his lack of doing so? Of course not!



The same can be said for all those that teach we are surrounding ourselves with idols. From the pulpit, I’ve heard that all these can be idols: golf, watching television, listening to music, playing sports, bad habits, etc. Anything one wishes to do outside of the respected norm can be considered an idol. Baloney! An idol is something you worship instead of God, not an enjoyable pastime. God doesn’t call any of these things sin, only incompetent leaders do!



A preacher once asked us, how would we gauge our level of holiness? That was a good question and I went home and pondered on it a bit. At the time I was building some sheds and chicken coops. So I came up with this measure. When I can hit my thumb with a hammer, the third time and break out and sing the Doxology and really, really mean it, then I’m there….I’m not there, yet.
 

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1 Co. 3:16-17 - “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”



I believe this to be the most abused verse in the bible. For decades and possibly centuries preachers have been using this verse to put a spirit of bondage on the parishioners that God never intended. Using this verse they have created whole categories of “sins”, that really are not sins. With this verse they have condemned all tobacco users, dancing,


Rock ‘n’ roll music among others, occasional drinkers, even lottery players. Some have even taken it to the extreme to demand some change their diets. They have demonized some with emotional disorders like self-cutting when they should have offered them love instead.



The problem is within the context it isn’t even speaking of our physical bodies, it’s speaking of the small corporate body of believers we call the local church, in this instance the Corinthian church. Let me show you how some other versions put it.



1 Co. 3:16-17 (AMP) “Do you not discern and understand that you [the whole church at Corinth] are God's temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you [to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually]? (words in parenthesis original to text)


17If anyone does hurt to God's temple or corrupts it with false doctrines] or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him. For the temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that [temple] you the believing church and its individual believers] are“.



1 Co. 3:16-17 (CEV) “All of you surely know that you are God's temple and that his Spirit lives in you. 17Together you are God's holy temple, and God will destroy anyone who destroys his temple.”



As you can these verses are talking about the whole church. Yes, we individually, are the temple as well, but Paul tells us a little later exactly what constitutes a sin against the temple of our bodies.



1 Co. 6:18 - (NIV) “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.”



There are enough sins listed in the bible without man adding a bunch of other “perceived” sins, that are not sins at all. Here’s a verse that adds to this line of thought and shows our freedom from the law as well.



Col. 2:20-23 (NIV) “Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.”



There is also 1 Co. 10:23 (NIV) “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.”



Some people teach that all bad habits are sin and that is just not true. Others go and teach that if one commits any of these “sinful” behaviors, they are not being holy. Rubbish! Being holy is not a list of do’s and don’ts. Holiness is measured by how much of Christ’s spirit/character we reflect to those around us. To those that believe our holiness is based on our behavior, I ask this question: Is an atheist who doesn’t smoke, drink or play the lottery more holy for his lack of doing so? Of course not!



The same can be said for all those that teach we are surrounding ourselves with idols. From the pulpit, I’ve heard that all these can be idols: golf, watching television, listening to music, playing sports, bad habits, etc. Anything one wishes to do outside of the respected norm can be considered an idol. Baloney! An idol is something you worship instead of God, not an enjoyable pastime. God doesn’t call any of these things sin, only incompetent leaders do!



A preacher once asked us, how would we gauge our level of holiness? That was a good question and I went home and pondered on it a bit. At the time I was building some sheds and chicken coops. So I came up with this measure. When I can hit my thumb with a hammer, the third time and break out and sing the Doxology and really, really mean it, then I’m there….I’m not there, yet.

Good post and has many truths. Thanks!
 

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Some people teach that all bad habits are sin and that is just not true. Others go and teach that if one commits any of these “sinful” behaviors, they are not being holy. Rubbish! Being holy is not a list of do’s and don’ts. Holiness is measured by how much of Christ’s spirit/character we reflect to those around us. To those that believe our holiness is based on our behavior, I ask this question: Is an atheist who doesn’t smoke, drink or play the lottery more holy for his lack of doing so? Of course not!


"Being holy is not a list of do’s and don’ts. Holiness is measured by how much of Christ’s spirit/character we reflect to those around us. "

So far so good! :)

"To those that believe our holiness is based on our behavior..."

Here you contradict the previous thing you said. We are all known by our behaviour. Do you think people should measure holiness by a machine like a geiger counter???? One can tell the holiness of a person by their fruit...which IS behaviour.

A holiness that is not built on righteousness is a false holiness.

You have misunderstood the WAY to holiness. It would be better to have attained this to some degree before stating a partial understanding of it. That is unless you present your thesis as a partial understanding...

As in...

"I know enough to know that holiness is not based on a list of do's and don'ts..." See? Then you would be speaking the truth without embellishment which contributes to the righteousness required to be noticed by God for growth in holiness.
 

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A holiness that is not built on righteousness is a false holiness.

As for me, my holiness is the righteousness imputed to me by faith in Jesus. My faith is accounted as my righteousness.

Romans 4:5
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
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As for me, my holiness is the righteousness imputed to me by faith in Jesus. My faith is accounted as my righteousness.

Romans 4:5
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
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You impute righteousness on yourself??? Why would yo do such a thing?
 

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Episkopos, Your words: "Here you contradict the previous thing you said. We are all known by our behaviour. Do you think people should measure holiness by a machine like a geiger counter???? One can tell the holiness of a person by their fruit...which IS behaviour."

I wouldn't neccessarily define christianity by our behavior, but more by our character and if we are reflecting Christ to those around us, then we are automatically proving the fruits of the spirit in our lives.
 

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You impute righteousness on yourself??? Why would yo do such a thing?

You know that that is not what I said.

Don’t you know that baring false witness against someone is a sin? The same kind of sin the Pharisees committed against Jesus.

So much for your claim that you no longer sin in the flesh.

What I said was:

As for me, my holiness is the righteousness imputed to me by faith in Jesus. My faith is accounted as my righteousness.

Romans 4:5
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

But you don't seem to believe a child of God is righteous because of his'her belief, faith, trust, confidence in the shed blood of Jesus on the cross.

You think a person is righteous only if he/she no longer sins in the flesh. In other words a person makes him/her self righteous by works. That discounts what God did on the cross and substitutes man's works for His works.
 
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Hi Richard, Thanks for the kudos, I appreciate it.

BTW, which state do you reside in, if I may ask?
 

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Episkopos, Your words: "Here you contradict the previous thing you said. We are all known by our behaviour. Do you think people should measure holiness by a machine like a geiger counter???? One can tell the holiness of a person by their fruit...which IS behaviour."

I wouldn't neccessarily define christianity by our behavior, but more by our character and if we are reflecting Christ to those around us, then we are automatically proving the fruits of the spirit in our lives.

Pro_20:11 Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.

You know that that is not what I said.

Don’t you know that baring false witness against someone is a sin? The same kind of sin the Pharisees committed against Jesus.

So much for your claim that you no longer sin in the flesh.

What I said was:

As for me, my holiness is the righteousness imputed to me by faith in Jesus. My faith is accounted as my righteousness.

Romans 4:5
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

But you don't seem to believe a child of God is righteous because of his'her belief, faith, trust, confidence in the shed blood of Jesus on the cross.

You think a person is righteous only if he/she no longer sins in the flesh. In other words a person makes him/her self righteous by works. That discounts what God did on the cross and substitutes man's works for His works.

My faith is accounted as my righteousness.

One has to be blind to not see this for what it is...How many can see that this is a man imputing righteousness on himself for his own beliefs????
 

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One has to be blind to not see this for what it is...How many can see that this is a man imputing righteousness on himself for his own beliefs????

Perhaps some will agree with you but that does not make it true. What I teach is that a person has to deny him/her self and place their belief, faith, trust, and confidence in the work of Jesus on the cross. You do not teach this. You, and others, teach that a man is saved by what he does to be saved.

So if I believe, have faith, trust and have confidence that God has imputed His righteousness to me, as He promised, because I have faith in Him, I am saying I imputed that righteousness in myself because of my belief. Can you understand English??????

But if you say you are righteous because of what you do that is different. LOL!!!

Romans 4:11
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,
NKJV

According to the scripture below my belief, faith, trust and confidence in God is accounted as righteousness. I am fully convinced in the promises of God that come thru faith in God.

Romans 4:21-24
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.
22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness."
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,
24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
NKJV

But you do not wish to place your belief, faith, trust and confidence in God and prefer to place it in your ability to not sin.

Your gospel is a gospel of faith plus works. That gospel was replaced by the gospel of grace as taught by Paul. But the religious will not hear of it. They love their religion.

The only righeousness a person can claim is Jesus' righteousness and that righteousness is imputed, BY GOD, to everyone that believes the gospel of grace as taught by Paul.