I read somewhere that carpentry was not Joseph's occupation, but instead general construction.
Never stopped to really find out about this and I'm not saying it's correct.
Just to say that I agree with you.
I do know about the politics....
Even some words are changed.
This is also why I don't like when posters "go to the Greek".
Usually there are different meanings to each word (in most cases) and they'll usually pick out the one they like best.
This doesn't function well.
I use the NASB,,,but when in doubt,,,I check other bibles...I have many, including Italian ones which really help a lot.
(re words chosen)
What do you mean by HISTORICAL NARRATIVE?
Can this be a good reason why I always refer to the ECFs, even though I am much criticized for this??
I think we can trust them...the Apostolic Fathers at least.
Do you mean....
Do you mean....
that we have different bibles as the Muslims claim??!!
I don't think it goes that far John.
What does having a Jewish bent mean if you believe everything I do??
(at least I think you do).
Historical narrative and word choices doesn't mean we have different bibles....
Consider the choices of words used in headlines in news articles....
Lawmakers bumped into each other today in heated disagreement...
Senator Cotton was beaten and thrown down today by Bullys in congress.
Similar enough meanings to the original language to call them an equal translation....but entirely different result in understanding.
Similar things are regularly used in scriptures when theological differences are at stake.
And the historical narrative of Who is making the changes and Why the changes were made tells you all you need to know as to what they are trying to suppress.
This applies directly to the KJV, Matthew 19, and Jesus's words on divorce and remarriage.
The KJV is the Anglican Church's translation of the scriptures....and you have to remember that the King of England by default became the Pope of the Anglican Church with originally Henry 8th. Henry had his issues with Edward and trying to get a divorce so he could have an heir.
Which is one of several reasons that church got its start (also money as tithes were taxes and taxes were tithes)
So....when the time honored tradition of "killing the messenger" was alive and well in England....the 1611 and its revision and whole new work labeled as KJV were done....the translation of Matthew 19 has always been created to be as obscure as possible. Also any glosses or scripture assists are nothing more than recitations of flat readings. The real truth is of course much more highly nuanced than what is flatly read.
So....when looking for resources to help with scriptures....look for who it is that is saying what....they likely have a theology to protect most vehemently for their job, standing in their denomination, their past life choices....a host of reasons.
Billy Graham WAS SBC once upon a time but then went to non-denominational. Because historical Baptist Doctrines and his positions on various theologies were at odds. Where he was on the rim of the wide pail of accepted theologies for the Baptists....he definitely was not mainstream by any stretch of the imagination. Even still....the two didn't get into any heated or angry separation....Billy just stepped away because he could actually reach more people if he did.
And he tended to shy away from divisive topics for his public subjects (including books).
I trust a lot of people including church fathers....but that doesn't mean that I'm always going to agree with them on every subject. There was a hot debate over the 1,000 year reign....and depending upon who was leading determined the "stated belief of the church" at the time. Each of them had their reasons for their beliefs....and I have mine. Who is right vx wrong? We will find out eventually. But it's the understanding of WHY they hold the beliefs they do....that's the crux of the matter.
There are a very limited few theologies that are flat and a "must" for Christiandom.....once you get further away from those core beliefs everything becomes complicated and highly nuanced to be true and accurate. Can good men capable of leading well within a church have a divorce in their past? Yes....of course. Are they allowed to serve in SBC churches or for the SBC missions programs? Nope.
Do I understand why they have this theology? Yes.
Do I believe different? Of course.
Should I hold it against them? Nope...because I extend GRACE to everyone especially a brother/sister over even life altering theologies of exclusion.
(There are plenty of other missionary organizations and non-denominational churches that are essentially Baptist to be a part of)
From my experience....it is best to stick to the truth and let chips fall where they may. But not everyone agrees. (Obviously)
And finally....
A messianic Jewish bent on scriptures....
They tend to continue to perform many if not all of the Old Testament Laws....(316) They believe that just because Jesus came and went and that Gentiles are not subject to them they are not excused from performing them (except for sin sacrifices....Jesus got that one covered) So they stick to dietary guidelines and clothing restrictions and Sabbaths and all kinds of things like that....as a living testimony of the scriptures and Jewish lifestyles they surround.
And since they are based in South Africa....they do NOT have all the prejudices that our Romanized/Westernized and American heritage tend to infiltrate our mindset. Jesus and the tetragrammiton are always spelled in Hebrew characters. So....you have to stop and look for a minute. Also all the names are no longer Latinized versions of translated Hebrew or whatever. "W" is often a "v" in pronunciation and "h" often is a breathy "w" in pronunciation.....things like that.
You definitely have to actively think when reading the scriptures of a Jewish translation.
