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194. The Spirits in Prison(1 Peter 3.19)

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    194. "THE SPIRITS IN PRISON" (1 Peter 3:19).A correct understanding of this passage may be obtained by noting the following facts:1. Men are never spoken of in Scripture as "spirits". Man has a spirit, but he is not "a spirit", for a spirit hath not flesh and bones". In this life man has "flesh and blood", a "natural" (or psychical) body. At death this spirit "returns to God Who gave it" (Ps. 31:5. Eccles. 12:7. Luke 23:46. Acts 7:59). In resurrection "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him" (1Cor. 15:38). This is no longer a "natural" (or psychical) body, but a "spiritual body" (1Cor. 15:44).2. Angels are "spirits", and are so called (Heb. 1:7, 14).3. In 2Pet. 2:4 we read of "the angels that sinned"; and in 1Pet. 3:19, 20 of spirits "which sometime were disobedient ... in the days of Noah". In 2Pet. 2:4 we are further told that the fallen angels are reserved unto judgment, and delivered into chains (i.e. bondage or "prison"). Cp. Jude 6.4. The cause of their fall and the nature of their sin are particularly set forth by the Holy Spirit in Jude 6, 7.
    • They "left their own habitation".
    • This "habitation" is called (in Greek) oiketerion, which occurs again only in 2Cor. 5:2, where it is called our "house" (i.e. body) with which we earnestly long to be "clothed upon"; referring to the "change" which shall take place in resurrection. This is the spiritual resurrection body of 1Cor. 15:44.
    • This spiritual body (or oiketerion) is what the angels "left" (whatever that may mean, and this we do not know). The word rendered "left", here, is peculiar. It is apoleipo = to leave behind, as in 2Tim.4:13, 20, where Paul uses it of "the cloke" and the "parchments" which he left behind at Troas, and ofTrophimus whom he left behind at Miletum. Occ. Heb. 4:6, 9; 10:26. Jude 6.
    • They "kept not their first estate (arche)" in which they were placed when they were created.
    • he nature of their sin is clearly stated. The sin of "Sodom and Gomorrha" is declared to be "in like manner" to that of the angels; and what that sin was is described as "giving themselves over tofornication, and going after strange flesh" (Jude 6, 7). The word "strange" here denotes other, i.e. different (Gr. heteros = different in kind. See Ap. 124. 2 ) What this could be, and how it could be, we are not told. We are not asked to understand it, but to believe it. (see further in App. 23 and 25).
    5. In Gen. 6:1 ,2, 4 we have the historical record, which is referred to in the Epistles of Peter and Jude. There these "angels" are called "the sons of God". This expression in the Old Testament is used always of "angels", because they were not "begotten", but created, as Adam was created, and he is so called in Luke 3:38 (cp. Gen. 5:1). It is used of angels eight times: Gen. 6:2, (*1) 4. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1 (R.V.m.); and Dan. 3:25. In this last passage there is no article, and it does not mean "the Son of God", but "a son of God", i.e. an angel who was sent into the furnace (Dan. 3:28), as one was into the den of lions (Dan. 6:22). In one passage (Hos. 1:10) the English expression is used of men, but there the Hebrew is different, and it refers only to what men should be "called", not to what they were.6. Returning to 1Pet. 3:19, the expression "the spirits in prison" cannot be understood apart form the whole context. The passage commences with the word "For" (v. 17), and is introduced as the reason why "it is better, if the will of God should (so) will, to suffer for well-doing, than for evil-doing. FOR (v. 18) Christ also suffered for sins once (Gr. hapax) - a Just One for unjust ones - in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death indeed as to [His] flesh, but made alive as to [His] spirit." This can refer only to His spiritual resurrection body (1Cor. 15:45). In death His body was put in the grave (or sepulcher, i.e. Hades), Acts 2:31; but His spirit was "commended to God". Not until His spirit was reunited to the body in resurrection could He go elsewhere. And then He went not to "Gehenna", or back to Hades but to Tartarus (2Pet. 2:4. See Ap. 131. III ), where "the angels who sinned" had been "delivered into chains". To these He proclaimed His victory.7. The word rendered "preached" is not the usual word euangelizo (Ap. 121. 4 ), but the emphatic word kerusso (Ap. 121. 1 ); which means to proclaim as a herald. Even so Christ heralded His victory over death, and the proclamation of this reached to the utmost bounds of creation.t was "better" THEREFORE to suffer for well doing than for evil doing. He had suffered for well doing. He suffered, but He had a glorious triumph. "Therefore" (runs the exhortation), "if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye" (vs. 14), and it concludes "Forasmuch then as Christ suffered on our behalf as to the flesh, arm yourselves ikewise with the same mind; for He that hath suffered in the flesh hath done with sin; no longer to live [our] remaining time according to men's lusts, but for God's will... For to this end, to those also who are now dead, were the glad tidings announced, that though (Gr. men) they might be judged according [to the will of] (*2) men, in [the] flesh, yet (Gr. de) they might live [again] according to [the will of] God, in [the] spirit" : i.e. in resurrection (1Pet. 4:1, 2, 6).The above is suggested as the interpretation of the expression "the in-prison spirits", in the light of the whole of the nearer and remoter contexts.(*1) In the first passage (Gen. 6:2) the Alexandrine MS of the Septuagint has "angels" (not "sons"), showing how it was then understood. (*2) For the supply of this ellipsis see Rom 8:27, 28, and cp. 1Pet 4:19.
     
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    The pagans in their mythological traditions concerning Cronus and the rebellious Titan gods presented a distorted view regarding the abasement of rebellious spirits. In contrast, Peter’s use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo, “cast into Tartarus,” does not signify that “the angels that sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus, but that they were abased by the Almighty God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s bright purposes. Also they had only a dark outlook as to their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels.
    The point being the scriptures use of the word Tartarus isn't saying such a place exists, but the use of the word is describing the condition of Satan and his demons. They have already been judged.
     
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    Hi Barney,

    Interesting thought!

    I'm curious, how wouild we actually know whether this was describing an actual place or not?

    You've got a pretty good IMO description of the metaphorical meaning, but how do we know whether that is correct, or that there is a place, or that both are correct?

    Much love!
     
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    The scriptures tell us false God's have everything to do with Satan and his demon. The scriptures also tell us that God has nothing in common with demons. The pagans who believed in these false God's believed Tartarus was an actual real place where the Titans were banished to, by the gods of Zeus etc. The True God would never in any way say or influence people such a place exists or that such beings as the Titans and the gods Zeus and those gods actually existed. Since this place was said to be pitch dark by the pagans, The True God simply used it to represent the judgment that HE had placed on Satan and his demons for their rebellion against The True God. The True God would never in any way say or influence anyone that such God's actually existed nor the places they inhabit or have been thrown into by other gods who defeated them such as when Zeus and his God's defeated the Titans. These beings the Titans and Zeus etc and the places they inhabit don't exist. The True God wouldn't say they did.
     
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    Are you certain there isn't such a place, and that the existance of such a place inspired the fiction of the Greeks and all?

    Or to put it another way, why would God use a fictional place to describe the end of the fallen? Wouldn't that just create confusion?

    Much love!
     
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    Look, if you want to believe that these false God's, the Titans and Zeus etc actually existed and also the places they inhabited exist or their prisons, such as Tartarus actually and literally existed, that's on you. These false God's are simply that, "false God's" and it's Satan and his demons who have deceived people into believing such beings and these places like Tartarus actually exist. Go on and believe that, but understand that when you believe that, you're not exercising faith in the truth that's in the scriptures nor in the truth about The True God. You're exercising faith in what Satan says and you believe what he says is true.
     
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    You think Satan doesn't cause confusion? God isn't wrong in any way for allowing the Angel who became Satan and a devil to continue to exist even though Satan causes confusion. Is The True God wrong in allowing Satan to continue to exist when he is evil and causes confusion. The Angel still exists because The True God allows it. So no, I don't think it's wrong in any way for God to use a word such as Tartarus to explain the judgment that The True God has put upon Satan and his demons.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for the topic, second I must disagree wuth that assessment the these spirit was "angels". yes God make his angels spirit, but here I must disagree. here's why, 1 Peter 3:19 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    1 Peter 3:20 "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water".

    Here is clear evidence that the spirits in prison was not angels, for the angels, 2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
    2 Peter 2:5 "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly". so those angels are chained and not in prision, and also the Judgment has not yet come.

    for we're to judge angels, supportive scriptures, 1 Corinthians 6:3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?".

    now turning to Jude, and the angels that sinned who lost their first estate, using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English as a NOUN and not a verb "Estate" it's a "CONDITION", and not necessary meaning a physical place. as satan was "cut down to the ground", not a phyical place on the ground, but a removal of a power, or a right or a privilege.

    and as for angels being sons of God? NO, and again I say NO, no angel is a son of God, for the term son of God indicate human flesh and bone, which angels don't have. supportice scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". only human flesh and bone are born, spirit are not, they are given, supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein". BINGO, flesh is born, spirits are "GIVEN".

    so no, I cannot agree with that assessment.

    PICJAG.
     
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    The Bible says that Jesus “preached to the spirits in prison.” (1 Pet. 3:19) What does this mean?
    The apostle Peter identifies these spirits as those who had “once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days.” (1 Pet. 3:20) Clearly, Peter was referring to spirit creatures who chose to join Satan’s rebellion. Jude mentions the angels who “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place,” saying that God “has reserved [them] with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.”—Jude 6.

    In what way were spirit creatures disobedient in Noah’s day? Before the Deluge, these wicked spirits materialized in human form—something that God had not purposed for them. (Gen. 6:2, 4) Furthermore, those angels who had sex with women were practicing a perversion. God did not create spirit creatures to engage in sexual relations with women. (Gen. 5:2) These wicked, disobedient angels will be destroyed in God’s due time. For now, as Jude notes, they are in a condition of “dense darkness”—a spiritual prison, so to speak.

    When and how did Jesus preach to these “spirits in prison”? Peter writes that this occurred after Jesus was “made alive in the spirit.” (1 Pet. 3:18, 19) Note, too, that Peter says that Jesus “preached.” Peter’s use of the past tense suggests that the preaching occurred before Peter wrote his first letter. It seems, then, that sometime after his resurrection, Jesus made a proclamation to the wicked spirits regarding the fully justified punishment they are due to receive. It was not a preaching that held out any hope for them. It was a preaching of judgment. (Jonah 1:1, 2) Once Jesus had demonstrated his faith and loyalty to death and then was resurrected—proving that the Devil indeed had no hold on him—Jesus had the basis for making such a condemnatory proclamation.—John 14:30; 16:8-11.

    In the future, Jesus will bind and throw into the abyss both Satan and those angels. (Luke 8:30, 31; Rev. 20:1-3) Until that time, these disobedient spirits are in a condition of dense spiritual darkness, and their final destruction is certain.—Rev. 20:7-10.
     
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    lest take this one step at a time. I must disagree with that assessment, and here's why. the one's who was disobedant was humans at Noah preaching. and two angles don't drown.

    and three what rebellion are you refering to?.

    PICJAG.
     
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    TARTARUS:
    In the Christian Greek Scriptures, a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah’s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo (to “cast into Tartarus”) does not signify that “the angels who sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as “the abyss” spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3.

    You are in error for saying the phrase, "Son of God" don't ever refer to Angels. Explain Job 1:6 and Job 2:1,2

    Job 1:6- Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.


    Job 2: 1- Afterward it came to be the day when the sons of the God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also proceeded to enter right among them to take his station before Jehovah.

    2 Then Jehovah said to Satan: “Just where do you come from?” At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: “From roving about in the earth and from walking about in it.”
     
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    The rebellion started with the Angel who became Satan at the garden called Eden when this Angel deceived Eve and caused her to eat the forbidden fruit then she gave some to Adam.
    The phrase, sons of God can also refer to Angels.Who were “the sons of God” that were involved at Genesis chapter 6? Were they men who were worshipers of Jehovah (as distinguished from the general run of wicked mankind), as some claim? Evidently not. The Bible implies that their marriage to the daughters of men resulted in whipping up the badness in the earth. Noah and his three sons, along with their wives, were the only ones in God’s favor and were the only ones preserved through the Deluge.—Ge 6:9; 8:15, 16; 1Pe 3:20.

    So, if these “sons of the true God” were merely men, the question arises, Why were their offspring “men of fame” more than those of the wicked, or of faithful Noah? Also, the question might be asked, Why mention their marriage to the daughters of men as something special? Marriage and childbearing had been taking place for more than 1,500 years.

    The sons of God mentioned at Genesis 6:2, therefore, must have been angels, spirit “sons of God.” This expression is applied to angels at Job 1:6; 38:7. This view is supported by Peter, who speaks of “the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days.” (1Pe 3:19, 20) Also Jude writes of “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” (Jude 6) Angels had the power to materialize in human form, and some angels did so to bring messages from God. (Ge 18:1, 2, 8,20-22; 19:1-11; Jos 5:13-15) But heaven is the proper abode of spirit persons, and the angels there have positions of service under Jehovah. (Da 7:9, 10) To leave this abode to dwell on earth and to forsake their assigned service to have fleshly relations would be rebellion against God’s laws, and perversion.

    The Bible states that the disobedient angels are now “spirits in prison,” having been ‘thrown into Tartarus’ and “reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” This seems to indicate that they are greatly restricted, unable again to materialize as they did prior to the Flood.—1Pe 3:19; 2Pe 2:4 Jude 6.
     
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    how many time must we explain this. coming before the Lord or presenting one's self before the Lord is here on earth. lets give an example from the bible. Joshua 24:1 "And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God". now where was they, when they presented themselves before God?

    Hebrews 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?". STOP, is Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 is a time? and lets throw in Genesis 6 also to make a clean sweep. did you hear God at NO TIME. do one know know what "NO TIME" means? it means NO ANGEL at "ANY TIME" is a son of God. that should end it right there.

    but lets see in Job who is a son of God. Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east".
    see that term here "MEN"of the east. men here is the Hebrew word,
    H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
    בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
    בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
    בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
    (used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
    {in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
    [from H1129]

    this is the same word used in Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose". BINGO, these sons of God are human, for Job was a natural as you and I, notice the verse, Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east". so Job was a man, but he's a son. and why would think that? maybe because he was keeping God feast day as we see here in the book name after him. Job was keep God commandament before the Nation of Israel came along.
    see there are sons of God in Job, but they are not angels... :eek:

    satan go to church too, keeping an eye on God's children waiting to accuse them of something, well no more. God put an end to that. for the devil was a roaring lion "WALKING ABOUT", 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour". do you know what, "WALKING ABOUT", means? ... in essance "roving"... lol, lol.. man this is too easy. oh well.

    PICJAG.

    PS don't worry we'll address you Post #12 next.
     
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    MUST HAVE? which mean you don't KNOW, and ASSUME it to be so, meaning it's a LIE, because you said IT MUST BE. well the way to expose a LIE, or an assumption is to cast it out by truth.
    well let again put this lie to bed. since we have already address Job 1:6 and 2:1 and Genesis chater 6, now let expose this lie men tell about Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?".
    as before, we give you the answer to shock you first and then Prove the POINT. the Moring stars, and the sons of God here in Job are the actual stars in the heavens and here the sons of God are the sun and the moon. ... say what!, yes, it's a metaphor..... lol. oh my God. yes, a metaphor. well lets prove it.
    scripture #1, and our start.
    First the morning stars. Remember we said that the morning stars are the actual stars in the heavens. Let’s go to the book of James. Follow and understand. James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning”. The almighty is called the “Father” of lights, and lights here is plural, and is the Greek word, G5457 φῶς phos (fōs') n. which means luminousness. Now hold that thought and go to Thayer's Greek Definitions and or the blue letter bible online, look up G3962 πατήρ pater, (Father)
    - Transliteration: Pater
    - Phonetic: pat-ayr'
    - Definition:
    1. generator or male ancestor
    a. either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents.
    THIS IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD “FATHER”.

    but we are interested in the 3rd definition, and here it is, listen.
    3. God is called the Father
    a. of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler

    God is called the Father of the “STARS”, and the heavenly luminaries. Yes, the literal stars in the sky. google the word stars, please add the “s” to the end of stars, for Job said, morning “stars” not morning “star”. A star is a luminous sphere of plasma held together by its own gravity. The nearest star to Earth is the Sun. Many other stars are visible to the naked eye from Earth during the night, appearing as a multitude of fixed luminous points in the sky due to their immense distance from Earth. Again, the stars are the actual stars in the heavens. Now, go to dictionary.com, or the free dictionary, or any dictionary and look up luminaries in the plural. a celestial body, as the sun or moon. BINGO.
    Now let’s see this sun and moon and the actual stars heavens and what they did in Job 38:7. Remember the Almighty said that they sang and shouted for joy. Let’s see this metaphor clearly. Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Verse 2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created”. Now what do the word praise mean here? It is the Hebrew word, H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal') v. which can be translated as “sing”, or “shine”. See the stars, the sun and the moon sang or praised God by shining their lights at creation... :eek: One more, Psalms 65:13 "The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing”. The pastures, and valleys also praising God? Yes, how? by shouting for joy and singing. It’s all a metaphor. Do we now understand. a re-read of the post maybe nessary for full undrerstanding.

    so Barney, why assume when the scriptures are available to you for understanding?. now the test is this. since you now know that Job 38 is full of metaphorswhy keep up the LIE? READ for yourself ... WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT and Learn.

    PICJAG.
     
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    The OP is just balderdash! It does not keep to God's written Word at all!

    There are so many NT cases of the word spirit or spirits as applied to those in the flesh, even those in Christ, that it would take me a long time to quote them all! That's how blatant a LIE the premise of the OP is.

    Acts 7:59
    59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.'
    KJV

    Rom 1:9
    9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
    KJV


    In those cases in the Greek, it is the SAME word used for "spirits" in 1 Peter 3:19 about Jesus going to the "spirits in prison", and preaching The Gospel to them.

    Isaiah 42:7 is where the prophesy is from that Peter was talking about...

    Isa 42:6-7
    6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
    7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

    KJV

    That is a prophesy about Jesus Christ The New Covenant. At Jesus' death and resurrection He went to the abode of hell (Hades) where that heavenly prison house is, and preached The Gospel to them, and led those who believed out of that prison house. This is why Peter would then say this in the next chapter...

    1 Peter 4:5-6
    5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
    6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

    KJV


    Those of the "synagogue of Satan", Satan's servants, obviously do not like that our Lord Jesus did that, freeing prisoners in the heavenly prison, right at Satan's own kingdom of the pit of hell!
     
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