2 Thessalonians 2:11 The Strong Delusion Explained?

[Truth7t7]

It's my opinion the strong delusion will be in the false wonders, "fire from heaven" performed by the false prophet seen in Revelation 13:13-14 below, that will deceive the world into making the image and receiving the mark, in perfect agreement with 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 below

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11KJV
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[ewq1938]

Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonders:

G4592
sēmeion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77

deceived:

G4105
planaō
plan-ah'-o
From G4106; to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue): - go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.
Total KJV occurrences: 39

miracles:

G4592
σημεῖον
sēmeion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!



Paul's Antichrist was called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

lying:

G5579
pseudos
psyoo'-dos
From G5574; a falsehood: - lie, lying.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

wonders:

G5059
teras
Thayer Definition:
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 8:113, 1170



"Lying wonders" is the same as "deceiving miracles".

The false prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.


Another connection between them:


Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

lamb:

G721
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30


The little horn of Daniel is commonly believed to be the antichrist John wrote about and in Revelation there is a person with two little horns who appears after the ten horned beast just as the little horn in Daniel appears after the ten horned beast. Clearly the same person is in mind here.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.,
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Not only does the second beast exercise ALL of the power of the first beast, he is the only one performing miracles by which he not the first beast deceived the world. He is the one who commands an image of the first beast to be made and causes it to come alive because of his tremendous God-like powers. He also decides who will be killed. He makes people receive the mark and that controls who can buy and sell.

Clearly the second beast is the primary ruler and highest authority.

Jesus was both the Christ and a prophet. The Antichrist will also be both christ and prophet but will be a liar on both accounts. John wrote about an Antichrist that would come. In Revelation he uses a different terminology for this same person calling him a false prophet but he is the same person he called the Antichrist. This person has many names in scripture.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

The ten horned kingdom is not the AC in either book. The AC is always the one who comes AFTER the ten horned beast.

Same ten horned beast in both books and it is always a large Empire composed of Kings and kingdoms with 1 singular person ruling over it all and that person is the same person in both books called the little horn and false prophet.

If there is no Antichrist here, "Daniel - ten horned beast arises." then it is the same for Revelation.
No Antichrist in this ten horned beast either, "Revelation - ten horned beast arises"

The Antichrist is always the singular person that is introduced after the ten horned beast:

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet

Same order of introduction. Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but he is mentioned nonetheless.


The names of the one we normally call the Antichrist:

1st and 2nd John -antichrist
2 Thessalonians -man of sin
2 Thessalonians -that Wicked
2 Thessalonians -the son of perdition
Daniel -little horn
Revelation -false prophet

Many names but he is still the same person.

 

[farouk]

Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonders:

G4592
sēmeion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77

deceived:

G4105
planaō
plan-ah'-o
From G4106; to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue): - go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.
Total KJV occurrences: 39

miracles:

G4592
σημεῖον
sēmeion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!



Paul's Antichrist was called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

lying:

G5579
pseudos
psyoo'-dos
From G5574; a falsehood: - lie, lying.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

wonders:

G5059
teras
Thayer Definition:
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 8:113, 1170



"Lying wonders" is the same as "deceiving miracles".

The false prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.


Another connection between them:


Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

lamb:

G721
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30


The little horn of Daniel is commonly believed to be the antichrist John wrote about and in Revelation there is a person with two little horns who appears after the ten horned beast just as the little horn in Daniel appears after the ten horned beast. Clearly the same person is in mind here.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.,
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Not only does the second beast exercise ALL of the power of the first beast, he is the only one performing miracles by which he not the first beast deceived the world. He is the one who commands an image of the first beast to be made and causes it to come alive because of his tremendous God-like powers. He also decides who will be killed. He makes people receive the mark and that controls who can buy and sell.

Clearly the second beast is the primary ruler and highest authority.

Jesus was both the Christ and a prophet. The Antichrist will also be both christ and prophet but will be a liar on both accounts. John wrote about an Antichrist that would come. In Revelation he uses a different terminology for this same person calling him a false prophet but he is the same person he called the Antichrist. This person has many names in scripture.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

The ten horned kingdom is not the AC in either book. The AC is always the one who comes AFTER the ten horned beast.

Same ten horned beast in both books and it is always a large Empire composed of Kings and kingdoms with 1 singular person ruling over it all and that person is the same person in both books called the little horn and false prophet.

If there is no Antichrist here, "Daniel - ten horned beast arises." then it is the same for Revelation.
No Antichrist in this ten horned beast either, "Revelation - ten horned beast arises"

The Antichrist is always the singular person that is introduced after the ten horned beast:

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet

Same order of introduction. Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but he is mentioned nonetheless.


The names of the one we normally call the Antichrist:

1st and 2nd John -antichrist
2 Thessalonians -man of sin
2 Thessalonians -that Wicked
2 Thessalonians -the son of perdition
Daniel -little horn
Revelation -false prophet

Many names but he is still the same person.

Interesting that John's First Epistle says that there are already 'many antichrists' in the world.

Good for the believer to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).

 

[ewq1938]

Interesting that John's First Epistle says that there are already 'many antichrists' in the world.

There are many at any time but there's going to be a last one, who will be able to perform actual miracles. These won't be parlor tricks, or the fake magic we see in shows. They will be real miracles so look for imitations of real events like a second coming, a resurrection and a rapture but counterfeits and other acts like fire from the sky like God has done and will do etc. I think this guy will really be convincing, almost good enough that the actual elect almost fall for it.

 

[farouk]

There are many at any time but there's going to be a last one, who will be able to perform actual miracles. These won't be parlor tricks, or the fake magic we see in shows. They will be real miracles so look for imitations of real events like a second coming, a resurrection and a rapture but counterfeits and other acts like fire from the sky like God has done and will do etc. I think this guy will really be convincing, almost good enough that the actual elect almost fall for it.

....Good for the true elect to keep 'looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith' (Hebrews 12.2)...

 

[Truth7t7]

Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonders:

G4592
sēmeion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77

deceived:

G4105
planaō
plan-ah'-o
From G4106; to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue): - go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.
Total KJV occurrences: 39

miracles:

G4592
σημεῖον
sēmeion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!



Paul's Antichrist was called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

lying:

G5579
pseudos
psyoo'-dos
From G5574; a falsehood: - lie, lying.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

wonders:

G5059
teras
Thayer Definition:
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 8:113, 1170



"Lying wonders" is the same as "deceiving miracles".

The false prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.


Another connection between them:


Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

lamb:

G721
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30


The little horn of Daniel is commonly believed to be the antichrist John wrote about and in Revelation there is a person with two little horns who appears after the ten horned beast just as the little horn in Daniel appears after the ten horned beast. Clearly the same person is in mind here.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.,
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Not only does the second beast exercise ALL of the power of the first beast, he is the only one performing miracles by which he not the first beast deceived the world. He is the one who commands an image of the first beast to be made and causes it to come alive because of his tremendous God-like powers. He also decides who will be killed. He makes people receive the mark and that controls who can buy and sell.

Clearly the second beast is the primary ruler and highest authority.

Jesus was both the Christ and a prophet. The Antichrist will also be both christ and prophet but will be a liar on both accounts. John wrote about an Antichrist that would come. In Revelation he uses a different terminology for this same person calling him a false prophet but he is the same person he called the Antichrist. This person has many names in scripture.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

The ten horned kingdom is not the AC in either book. The AC is always the one who comes AFTER the ten horned beast.

Same ten horned beast in both books and it is always a large Empire composed of Kings and kingdoms with 1 singular person ruling over it all and that person is the same person in both books called the little horn and false prophet.

If there is no Antichrist here, "Daniel - ten horned beast arises." then it is the same for Revelation.
No Antichrist in this ten horned beast either, "Revelation - ten horned beast arises"

The Antichrist is always the singular person that is introduced after the ten horned beast:

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet

Same order of introduction. Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but he is mentioned nonetheless.


The names of the one we normally call the Antichrist:

1st and 2nd John -antichrist
2 Thessalonians -man of sin
2 Thessalonians -that Wicked
2 Thessalonians -the son of perdition
Daniel -little horn
Revelation -false prophet

Many names but he is still the same person.

I Disagree, Paul's (Man Of Sin) Is Daniels (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) all the same future bad guy

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting that John's First Epistle says that there are already 'many antichrists' in the world.

Good for the believer to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).

Did the epistle also say there was Pauls (Man Of Sin) Daniel's (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast), all the same future bad guy that is commonly called (The Antichrist)

 

[ewq1938]

I Disagree, Paul's (Man Of Sin) Is Daniels (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) all the same future bad guy

The first beast doesn't perform miracles to deceive. Only the FP beast does that making him equal to Paul's man of sin who performs miracles to deceive.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The first beast doesn't perform miracles to deceive. Only the FP beast does that making him equal to Paul's man of sin who performs miracles to deceive.

Most people haven’t made that connection. There are other reasons which I was waiting to see if you recognized.

 

[ewq1938]

Most people haven’t made that connection. There are other reasons which I was waiting to see if you recognized.

Like what?

 

[Truth7t7]

The first beast doesn't perform miracles to deceive. Only the FP beast does that making him equal to Paul's man of sin who performs miracles to deceive.

We disagree, the beast of Revelation chapter 13 is a human man, and is noted with personal pronouns He, His, Him, and the false prophet will be his front man, performing miracles before the world, just as the magicians of Pharaoh's court

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: "Strong Delusion" explained?
the lesser delusion of Satan is external = signs for the "sight":

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of
Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
in them that perish; because they received not the love of
The Truth, that they might be saved.
And:
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them
Strong Delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God "Sending STRONG DELUSION," is internal, in the
"mind of the UNrighteous, that they should believe a lie" Amen?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Truth7t7]

op: "Strong Delusion" explained?
the lesser delusion of Satan is external = signs for the "sight":

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of
Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
in them that perish; because they received not the love of
The Truth, that they might be saved.
And:
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them
Strong Delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed
not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God "Sending STRONG DELUSION," is internal, in the
"mind of the UNrighteous, that they should believe a lie" Amen?

GRACE And Peace...

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

[ewq1938]

We disagree, the beast of Revelation chapter 13 is a human man, and is noted with personal pronouns He, His, Him, and the false prophet will be his front man, performing miracles before the world, just as the magicians of Pharaoh's court

The first beast does not perform miracles. Only the second beast does.

The male pronouns do not prove the 10 headed beast is a man. Greek pronouns don't work that way. A non-person noun written in the masculine form will be called a he or him despite it not being a person at all.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And that's the second beast performing miracles just like Paul's man of sin does. It's because they are the same person.

 

[Truth7t7]

The first beast does not perform miracles. Only the second beast does.

The male pronouns do not prove the 10 headed beast is a man. Greek pronouns don't work that way. A non-person noun written in the masculine form will be called a he or him despite it not being a person at all.

The beast and false prophets both will be cast "Alive" Living into the lake if fire, living human men

The Beast And False Prophet Are Living Humans

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[ewq1938]

The beast and false prophets both will be cast "Alive" Living into the lake if fire, living human men

A non-human can also said to be alive like an animal/beast that represents a global kingdom. The first beast is not a man but is ten kingdoms spread out over 7 mountains. It is alive as in a functional kingdom until it's destroyed symbolically by fire. The false prophet is usually thought of as a man.

 

[Truth7t7]

A non-human can also said to be alive like an animal/beast that represents a global kingdom. The first beast is not a man but is ten kingdoms spread out over 7 mountains. It is alive as in a functional kingdom until it's destroyed symbolically by fire. The false prophet is usually thought of as a man.

We Disagree, The Beast And False Prophet Will Be Literal Living Human Men

The Horse Is Dead, You May Have The Last Word

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[ewq1938]

The Horse Is Dead, You May Have The Last Word

Here's what the bible says is the first beast:

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


The beast is ten kingdoms spread out within 7 mountains. There is no singular guy. If there was it would be explained here. The only individual we have is the false prophet, not anyone else.

Did Paul say there was the man of sin AND some other guy? No. Paul described one man who performed miracles to deceive the world. Guess what? Revelation also described one man who performed miracles to deceive the world. Isn't that interesting?

It's time to let go of the bad teaching of a two person team ruling the world. It's not in the bible. It's based solely on people who don't understand Greek grammar and why the first beast is called a "he". It's not because it's a man. It's a male beast so "he" is used.

It's like saying, "My dog just got a female dog pregnant. He sure is happy."

Calling the dog "he" does not turn him into a man. It's exactly the same thing regarding the first beast.

In fact we see the same thing in Daniel when a ten horned kingdom is taken over by a singular person called the little horn. In Revelation we have another ten horned kingdom taken over by a singular person who happens to have two little horns. Isn't that interesting?

In neither passage are there two men ruling the ten horned beast kingdom. Am I getting through yet?

 

[Oseas]

ewq1938
I really appreciated your post as a whole, you have an excellent interpretation of the Scriptures, especially regarding the Apocalypse - Revelation - . I'm side by side with you.
God bless

Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a Sword, and did live.

If we analyse deeply the verses above we will see that they are linked with Revelation 12, among others.

The verses above reveals that the Man Beast like a lamb(a false lamb, a Jewish false messiah,of course-John 5:v.43 to 47), who has two horns (by allegory they mean two kingdoms), and he speaks as Dragon, and does great wonders, even makes fire come down from HEAVEN on the earth (because he is in HEAVEN as is written in Revelation 12:v.3-4, as follow:

3 - There appeared another wonder in HEAVEN; and behold a great red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his 7 heads.
4 And his TAIL drew the third part (1/3) of the stars (Daniel 12:v.3 and Genesis 1:v.16) of HEAVEN, and did cast them(the stars) to the earth because he deceived and drew the "stars" of heaven by his TAIL.

On the other hand, he now deceives also them that dwell on the EARTH (earth here is Israel) by the means of those miracles which he has power to do in the sight of the FIRST Beast- the Man Beast of sea-; saying to them that dwell on the earth-dwell in Israel-, that they should make an image to the Beast (of sea), which had the WOUND by a Sword, and did live-Revelation 13:v.3-4 and verse 12.

The 7 heads are seven mountains and seven kings.

The Man Beast of sea is a guide and ruler of a MONSTROUS and satanic religious POWER in the seven regions or seven continent of the Planet Earth: Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania/Austrália, and North America, and Central America, and South America.

Who healed the wounded head of the Beast of sea (one of the 7 heads)? and how? (In my view the idolater South America will be wounded as a whole)

- Who healed the wounded head of the Beast of sea is/will be the Beast like a lamb, the false messiah, in fact an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the future ruler of Israel, and the main guide of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism.

- and how will the false messiah heal one of seven heads of the Beast of sea?
The false messiah will give to the FIRST Beast, the Man Beast of sea, his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority. And the Man Beast of sea will persecute the GOD's people-Revelation 13:v.4 to 9

And the Man Beast like a lamb, the false messiah, he will exercise all the power of the FIRST Beast -the Beast of sea- before him, and causes the earth -causes Israel- and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast -the Man Beast of sea enthroned in Jerusalem, spiritually Sodom and Egypt-,whose deadly wound was healed-Revelation 13:v.12.THIS TERRIBLE EVENT IS/WILL BE A STRONG DELUSION GOD WILL SEND AGAINST THE IDOLATER ISRAEL, OBJECT OF THIS TOPIC.

As the main guide of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, a Master of Torah, the Man Beast like a lamb will manifest himself FIRST of all as messiah, and as a Master of Torah and as God will exercise the function of Prophet in Israel, and will deceive the world, inlcusive a lot of weak Christians/believers.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

The prophetical message of Paul Apostle confirms what was prophesied by Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 21:v.25-26 - CJB:
25 - As for you, you wicked prince of Isra’el, due to be killed, whose day has come, at the time of final punishment, (26) here is what Adonai Elohim says:
‘Remove the turban, take off the crown!
Everything is being changed.
What was low will be raised up,
and what was high will be brought down.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Amen