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[Harold]

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[BarneyFife]

an eternal hell is supposedly so unjust that if it were an essential part of Christian doctrine it would be (in Hart’s words) “proof that Christianity should be dismissed as a self-evidently morally obtuse and logically incoherent faith.

This seems like an ancient argument based on faulty human logic that barely even warrants a rebuttal.

Although I do believe in a form of apokatastasis in that God will doubtless restore all things with the establishment of His saints as kings and rulers of the earth and after the utter destruction of sin and sinners after painful punishment commensurate with the deeds done in the body is accomplished. There will be no stain of corruption left in the perfect creation of our Heavenly Father. The finally unrepentant will, before their sentence is executed, bow and say with the rest of God's creatures:

“Just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of saints.”​

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“Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for Thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy judgments are made manifest.”​

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[Cassandra]

My problem with this stuff is that Harold wastes any time at all to critique anyone's church when he thinks everyone is going to heaven anyway. Let them believe what they want. What difference does it make to universalists?

Harold go get a kite, or a bike and go enjoy yourself. No need to preach

 

[BarneyFife]

Let’s say that God does separate us endlessly from Him. Here’s the problem…. SIN still exists! That’s right. Sin is still there, it’s just tucked away where you can’t see it. It’s like you have dirty clothes. What does God do? Does God either a) Christian Universalism wash the clothes by the blood of Christ aka convince all people to believe in Christ to be saved
Or b) does God just hide the clothes inside of a closet and then they start to mold and rot?

Or c) utterly destroy sin and unrepentant sinners, which He can easily manage?

The blood of Christ does not magically and transformatively convince people of God's love for them against their will.

Unquenchable fire will make sure there is nothing left "to mold and rot."

Universalism renders the conflict in which we now find ourselves just one big, fat, cruel joke.