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What's more interesting is that you have all these Muslim countries that surround Israel, and NONE of them want these so-called Palestinians.

They say because the Palestinians tend to cause trouble.

Egypt has huge gates on their border with Gaza to keep them out.

@ProverbsInPink You might be interested in this thread.
 
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Another video showing the West Bank is not an open air prison.

 

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Crash course on history of the so called " PALESTINIAN STATE"
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate,it was only an area nicknamed Palestine, not a Palestinian state.("Palestine" is a Latin term by the way)
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE !!!!
There is such an old book "Palaestina ex Monumentis Veteribus Illustrata" Author Adriani Rilandi - geographer, cartographer, traveler, philologist, he knew several European languages, Arabic, ancient Greek, Hebrew.
The book is written in Latin. In 1695 Rilandi was describing what was then called Palestine. He visited almost 2,500 settlements mentioned in the Bible. The study was conducted as follows:
* First he created a map of Palestine.
Then he designated each settlement that was mentioned in the Bible or Talmud with its original name.
* If the original was Jewish, it meant
"pasuk" (the sentence in the Holy Scripture in which the name was mentioned.)
* If the original was Roman or Greek, give the connection in Latin or Greek.
At the end, he made a population census by settlement.
Here are the main conclusions and some facts:
* The country is mostly empty, abandoned, sparsely populated, the main population in
Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberias and Gaza.
* Most of the population are Jews, almost all the rest are Christians, very few Muslims, mostly Bedouins. *
The only exception is Nablus (now
Shechem), in which approximately 120 people from the Muslim Natsha family and approximately 70 "shomronim" (Samaritans) lived.
* In Nazareth, the capital of Galilee, there lived approximately 700 people - all Christians.
* In Jerusalem there are approximately 5,000 people, almost all Jews and a few Christians.
* In 1695, everyone knew that the origins of the country were Jewish.
* There is not a single settlement in Palestine whose name has Arabic roots.
* Most settlements have Hebrew originals, and in some cases Greek or Roman Latin originals.
* Apart from the city of Ramla, there is not a single Arab settlement that has an original Arabic name.
Names are Hebrew, Greek or Latin that have been changed to Arabic, which makes no sense in Arabic. In Arabic there is no meaning in names like Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza or Jenin, and names like Ramallah, El-Khalil (Hebron), El-Quds (Jerusalem) have no philological or historical Arabic roots. So, for example, in 1696, Ramallah was called Bethelah (Beit El, House of God), Hebron was called Hebron and the cave of Machpelah was called by the Arabs El-Khalil (a nickname for Abraham).
* Relandi mentions Muslims only as Bedouin nomads who came to the cities as seasonal workers in agriculture or construction.
* Approximately 550 people lived in Gaza, half of them Jews and half Christians. Jews were successfully engaged in agriculture, in particular vineyards, olives and wheat, Christians were engaged in trade and
transportation.
* Jews lived in Tiberias and Safed, but their occupation other than traditional fishing in the Kinneret is not mentioned.
* In the village of Um El-Fahm, for example, there lived 10 families, all Christians (approximately 50 people). There was a small Maronite church there.
The book completely refutes theories about
"Palestinian traditions"
"Palestinian people" and leaves almost no connection between this land and the Arabs, who even stole the Latin name of this land (Palestine) and took it for themselves.
 

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The Jews are colonizers and occupiers and have committed genocide against the indigenous Palestinian people. The Jews need to be repatriated to their ancestral homelands from which they came, such as Europe, the U.S., Russia, and others. Palestine is NOT the home of the Jews!

By the way, modern Israel was created by Satan to counterfeit ancient Jerusalem. It is NOT the Israel of the Bible. The Jews occupying Palestine are the offspring of Satan.

You should be contacting your government to tell them to stop aiding the genocide!
It`s interesting that for over 70 years the Arabs in Israel have been offered a state of their own. So why have they not chosen to receive it? Well, for the Arabs to have a state of their own they have to recognize the state of Israel. This they will never do as they desire to annihilate Israel.

It was Israel that removed its own people from the lovely seaside area of Gaza. Israel did this to give the Arabs access to the sea. Did the Arabs appreciate this and build houses and schools and hospitals with all the modern equipment? No! The Arabs kept their people poor and took all the finance the world system gave them to build tunnels and build up arms to slaughter the people of Israel.

There are Arabs in Israel today who are part of the community. They have all the rights as a person in Israel. They are in the government and are actually not required to be in the army. Many Arabs do join the army though.

So....facts people may not know.
 
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It`s interesting that for over 70 years the Arabs in Israel have been offered a state of their own. So why have they not chosen to receive it? Well, for the Arabs to have a state of their own they have to recognize the state of Israel. This they will never do as they desire to annihilate Israel.

It was Israel that removed its own people from the lovely seaside area of Gaza. Israel did this to give the Arabs access to the sea. Did the Arabs appreciate this and build houses and schools and hospitals with all the modern equipment? No! The Arabs kept their people poor and took all the finance the world system gave them to build tunnels and build up arms to slaughter the people of Israel.

There are Arabs in Israel today who are part of the community. They have all the rights as a person in Israel. They are in the government and are actually not required to be in the army. Many Arabs do join the army though.

So....facts people may not know.
@Mo25 I hope you see the above post by MarilynC.

I was hoping @Jericho would join in because he knows all about the history that Marilyn was stating.

Also it was only when the Arabs started a war with Israel that Israel was able to regain territory.

And the Arabs were offered some land years ago and they refused it. So Israel took the land and caused it to flourish. Jericho knows about this...can tell it better than me.

I watch interviews of both Palestinians and Israelis. Israelis are willing to compromise but the Palestinians want all of the land.

I saw an interview of Arabs living in Israel and they were very happy there. They wanted to stay in Israel.
 
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The Jews are colonizers and occupiers and have committed genocide against the indigenous Palestinian people. The Jews need to be repatriated to their ancestral homelands from which they came, such as Europe, the U.S., Russia, and others. Palestine is NOT the home of the Jews!

By the way, modern Israel was created by Satan to counterfeit ancient Jerusalem. It is NOT the Israel of the Bible. The Jews occupying Palestine are the offspring of Satan.

You should be contacting your government to tell them to stop aiding the genocide!
The Israel wannabees LOVE tooting their own horns. Otherwise they would never be heard of. Unlike Israel of the Bible, in the news every day! Such jealousy can lead to Hell Fire!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

And all your moaning and groaning ain't gonna change it!
 
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The Israel wannabees LOVE tooting their own horns. Otherwise they would never be heard of. Unlike Israel of the Bible, in the news every day! Such jealousy can lead to Hell Fire!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

And all your moaning and groaning ain't gonna change it!
I'll add to your statement. Malachi 3:6 - I am the LORD; I do not change. God gave them the land for keeps
 
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The "superior" race is clearing living space of "subhumans" for the good of the entire world.​

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On October 28, 2023, Netanyahu publicly invoked “Remember what Amalek has done to you” (1 Samuel 15:3), a biblical command in Jewish tradition that calls for the total annihilation of an enemy people — men, women, children, and livestock (Haaretz, Oct 2023).

In Gaza today:
- 54,000 dead, including 20,000 children
- 85% of schools destroyed
(UN OCHA, 2024)

The International Court of Justice (Jan 26, 2024) ruled that Israel’s actions constitute a “plausible genocide.”
The International Criminal Court is pursuing Netanyahu for the blockade and related war crimes (arrest warrants issued Nov 2024).

This is what “clearing the area of Amalek” looks like in practice.

The term “human animals” (Hebrew: בהמות אדם, behemot adam — literally “human beasts” or “animal-like humans”) has been repeatedly used by senior Israeli officials to describe Palestinians. Key examples:

1. Yoav Gallant, Israeli Defense Minister (Oct 9, 2023)
Announcing a “complete siege” of Gaza (no electricity, water, food, or fuel), he declared:
“We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly.”
The statement drew immediate condemnation from Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International for dehumanization and incitement to war crimes.

2. Eli Ben-Dahan, Deputy Defense Minister (2013, later in charge of the Civil Administration in the West Bank)
In a radio interview on peace talks:
“To me, Palestinians are like animals, they are not human.”

3. Dan Gillerman, former Israeli ambassador to the UN (Oct 26, 2023)
On Sky News, dismissing UN concern over Gaza’s humanitarian crisis:
“We are not fighting human beings — we are fighting horrible, inhuman animals.”

4. Rabbi Meir Maroz (Nov 2023, Channel 7 Israel)
“If the people of Gaza were human, we would send them humanitarian aid… but they are animals.”

Such rhetoric is not new:
- Menachem Begin in 1982 called Palestinians “beasts walking on two legs.”
- Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan in 1983 compared Palestinians to “drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”

This is the language that accompanies the policy on the ground.

On one hand, high-ranking Israeli officials are openly declaring that the "superior" race is clearing living space of "subhumans" for the good of the entire world.

When arguing with Zionists, I ask them to acknowledge this outright. But at that point, every Zionist I've talked to starts squirming. Suddenly, they've been "misunderstood," "it's not that simple," "things aren't really what they seem"—and on and on it goes. With this cowardly behavior, Zionists back themselves into a corner. And that's when I write to them:

Either stand your ground all the way: you are the "superior race," liberating living space from "human animals" (Gallant, 2023) and "Amaleks" (Netanyahu, Haaretz, 2023). Then it all makes sense. You Zionists are the engine of global Nazism, waving the banner of racism and genocide as the solution to the "problem of excess subhumans." Be honest about your superiority over the Palestinians and Arabs whom you dehumanize.

Or admit that the liberals and cultural Marxists are right. Agree that Israel expelled the Palestinians in 1948 (Nakba, 700,000 refugees, UN Resolution 194), occupied Gaza and the West Bank in 1967 (UN Resolution 242), and has maintained the blockade of Gaza since 2007: 54,000 dead, 20,000 children (UN OCHA, 2024). The ICJ (Jan 26, 2024) sees a "plausible genocide," and the ICC is pursuing Netanyahu (November 2024). Then repent, hand Netanyahu over to The Hague, and rectify your crimes.

Choose: right or left. Because in one place, you're the "chosen people" fighting for the "good of the civilized world," and in another—"oh, that's not what we meant." With this behavior, you Zionists are condemning yourselves.

‘October 7th
 

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They say because the Palestinians tend to cause trouble.

Egypt has huge gates on their border with Gaza to keep them out.

@ProverbsInPink You might be interested in this thread.
Well if the Palestinians would get rid of the part of their charter that calls for the extermination of all Jews, maybe they could live in peace with Israel! Also that land belongs to Israel by divine right! God will give it back to Israel during the millennial kingdom.

The Palestinian people do not actually exist. They are not an ethnic group like Egyptians or Syrians. They are an amalgam of Arabs who settled the land since the Roman days.
 
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It`s interesting that for over 70 years the Arabs in Israel have been offered a state of their own. So why have they not chosen to receive it? Well, for the Arabs to have a state of their own they have to recognize the state of Israel. This they will never do as they desire to annihilate Israel.

It was Israel that removed its own people from the lovely seaside area of Gaza. Israel did this to give the Arabs access to the sea. Did the Arabs appreciate this and build houses and schools and hospitals with all the modern equipment? No! The Arabs kept their people poor and took all the finance the world system gave them to build tunnels and build up arms to slaughter the people of Israel.

There are Arabs in Israel today who are part of the community. They have all the rights as a person in Israel. They are in the government and are actually not required to be in the army. Many Arabs do join the army though.

So....facts people may not know.

Hmmm.
 
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Wrong. The Jews are like Nazis and are committing genocide against the indigenous people. The world would be a better place without Jews.
You don`t know all the facts. If the Jews were like the Nazis, then they would have tried to exterminate ALL those in Gaza. They could have bombed that whole region to pieces.
 
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Wrong. The Jews are like Nazis and are committing genocide against the indigenous people. The world would be a better place without Jews.
I notice you say you are a Christian. Remember Jesus told us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

While I don't agree with what Hamas did, I don't hold any hatred in my heart towards others.

You don`t know all the facts. If the Jews were like the Nazis, then they would have tried to exterminate ALL those in Gaza. They could have bombed that whole region to pieces.
Right. And they wouldn't have warned civilians about impending attacks by phone calls, texts and leaflets....which also warned Hamas.
 

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THE FACTS


During WWII

Jewish communities in the Middle East were murdered and attacked by violent Arabian Muslims driven by Nazi-inspired propaganda,

thousands of innocent Jews were murdered, injured and their property confiscated and destroyed by Arabs who were persuaded to do so to show support to Nazism


In 1941 - the “ Farhud movement in Iraq “ = 180+ Jews were murdered , here, violent Muslim mobs and soldiers attacked Jewish families in Baghdad during the Shavuot holiday, murdering roughly 180 people and injuring 700.


During WWII - through Libya, Egypt, and Syria, there were violent riots, looting of Jewish properties and casualties resulting in death


In Libya through the 1940s - approximately 130 Jews were killed, 266 injured, and many sent to forced labor camps.
In North Africa: anti-Jewish riots occurred in Casablanca in 1942
In Egypt, after WW ll - in 1945 - 400 Jews were injured in violent demonstrations



THIS WAR WAS NOT A VICTORY FOR ARABIA


from 1941 to 1945, - Haj Amin al-Husseini, - The Grand Muslim Mufti of Jerusalem

1 ... worked closely with other Arab nationalists and leaders to promote Axis propaganda, incite violence against Allied forces, and recruit Muslims for the Waffen-SS.

2... Key Arab and Muslim allies and collaborators included:

Rashid Ali al-Gaylani: The former Iraqi Prime Minister who led a pro-Axis coup in Iraq in 1941. After the British suppressed the coup, al-Gaylani fled to Berlin, where he worked with al-Husseini in radio propaganda and organized Arab volunteers.

Fawzi al-Qawuqji: A prominent Syrian guerilla leader who worked with the Axis powers to stir up anti-British sentiment and sabotage British interests.

Hassan Salameh: A Palestinian commander and associate of al-Husseini, who collaborated with the Nazis during his time in Berlin.

Members of the Arab Higher Committee: While in exile, al-Husseini commanded a fragment of this committee, supported by German funds, to lobby for Axis support of an independent Arab state.

Bosnian Muslim SS Units: Al-Husseini was instrumental in recruiting Bosnian Muslims for the
13th Waffen-SS Mountain Division "Handschar," visiting the region to promote the alliance.


Members of the
Muslim Brotherhood: during the war, al-Husseini established contacts with the Society of Muslim Brothers (Egypt), which sent representatives to meet him and supported his anti-British, anti-Zionist activities.

3..... Collaboration Efforts

Propaganda: Al-Husseini and his allies broadcast pro-Axis, anti-British, and anti-Jewish propaganda via - -
radio to the Arab _world from Berlin, Bari, and Athens.

Recruitment: He helped raise the German-Arab Training Department (Deutsch-Arabische Lehrabteilung-DAL) and lobbied for an "Arab-Muslim army" to fight alongside the
Third Reich. - - Military Actions: A mixed German-Arab commando team was dropped by the SS into the Jordan Valley in 1944, with members claiming to have been personally briefed by al-Husseini.

After
WWll the British and American forces immediately took control of all of Germany, Italy and Japan. also taking control of all of the other nations that allied themselves with Adolf Hitler and his Italian Jew hunters with thousands of Muslims Military fighters assisting Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany



here is why the USA and England felt they had the right to take over the Middle East and help the surviving Jewish victims of the Holocaust return to their
4000 year old Hebrew Historical homeland


20,000 Crimean Tatar Muslims served and fought for Nazi Germany under Von Manstein in the 11th Army (Wehrmacht)

At least
28,000 Muslims from the North Caucasus served and fought for in the North Caucasian and Mountain

These included Caucasian Muslim volunteers The Dargins, Chechens, Ingush, Kumyks, Circassians, Kabards, Balkars, Karachais, Lezghins, and Ossetians.


25,000 to 38,000 Muslims from Azerbaijan served and fought for Nazi Germany - Some also put down the Warsaw Uprising fighting with the " " Nazi Dirlewanger Brigade "

35,000 to 40,000 Muslims fought in the Idel Ural Legion. {{ SS Idel-Ural Legion was a volunteer SS unit of Muslim }

110,000 to 180,000 Central Asian Muslims( Karakalpaks, Kazakhs, Kirghiz, Tajiks, Turkomans, and Uzbeks) also fought in the Turkestan Legion - Some of these Muslims also fought in SS units

Muslim field battalions were spread over the entire European continent.

A total of
six Muslim battalions took part in the defense of Berlin in 1945.

In the last phase of the war, the 162nd Turkestani Muslim Infantry Division fought against the Slovenians and against US troops in northern Italy.

Balkan Muslims - One-third of
5,000 Croatian Muslims fought in Stalingrad

Albanian Muslims joined the SS division ( -
21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg ) - 6,000 Albanian Muslims joined the Handzar division


By the end of the war,
tens of thousands of Muslims had Joined Italy and Germany.


Today, Muslims in the Middle East do not look back in regret and sorrow for how their Muslim Military fought with Germany and Italy to destroy all Jews around the world
we see that even to Jews who do not live in Israel, the Muslims even want to drive these Jews into the Grave -

these are Jews whom did not live in or near Israel - and here are tens of thousands upon thousands of Islamic Militants working with Italy and Germany to destroy the very homes and lives - of even these European Jews. –

Muslims working with Hitler - directly with Hitler - moving directly into Europe - to help murder Jews.

we see clearly why the USA and Britain took complete control of the Muslim world

 

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in 1948 Israeli lands were purchased from the Arabian Ottoman Empire, only 30 percent of the land was privately owned by both Jews and Arabs. Around 160,000 Arabian residents who already around Israel remained peaceful and became welcomed citizens of Israel.

The Jews opened their arms in love, respect

and there was peace and harmony between 160,000 Arabian residents and Jewish Holocaust Survivors - living in Israel - this peace still exists today


outside of Israel were other Arabs who the Jews did not have the resources nor safety measures nor the ability to welcome them immediately into Israel safely - BECAUSE - the other Arabian Nations began to make threats of launching an attack directly on the Jews in Israel ..

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Furthermore

The Arabians outside the borders of Israel were soon given instructions by other Arabian Military Forces to leave their homes and clear out of the area - due to the oncoming attack by Invading Arabian armies,

these Muslims outside of Israel fled and abandoned their property thinking that the Jews would be defeated and removed from Israel and then the Arabs would return back to their homes along the borders of Israel


THIS WAR WAS NOT A VICTORY FOR ARABIA


160,000 Arab residents who remained within the new borders became Israeli citizens. The descendants of these 160,000 Arab who were given Israeli citizenship and freedom to live along side Jews AND today number from 1.7 to 2 million Arab citizens of Israel

today these Arabs make up roughly 20% of Israel's population


WHY DID THE ARABS SELL THEIR LANDS BEFORE THE WAR WAS DECLARED


The estimated payments for Arab land in Israel are estimated at around $4.5 billion and also an additional compensation plan of roughly $100 million in 1972 was paid to provide compensation for Arabs who lost any lands while moving away in order to allow other Arabs to successfully launch an attack upon Israel .

THE LANDS ARE WAR ZONES - AND HOLAUCAUST SURVIVORS CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER DROP OF INNOCENT JEWISH BLOOD AT THE EXPENSE OF LUST DRIVEN MUSLIM HATRED AND CONQUEST.
 

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The Jews are colonizers and occupiers and have committed genocide against the indigenous Palestinian people. The Jews need to be repatriated to their ancestral homelands from which they came, such as Europe, the U.S., Russia, and others. Palestine is NOT the home of the Jews!

By the way, modern Israel was created by Satan to counterfeit ancient Jerusalem. It is NOT the Israel of the Bible. The Jews occupying Palestine are the offspring of Satan.

You should be contacting your government to tell them to stop aiding the genocide!

"I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in youall the families of the earth shall be blessed.” - Genesis 12:3

"Let peoples serve you, And nations bow down to you. Be master over your brethren, And let your mother’s sons bow down to you. Cursed be everyone who curses you, And blessed be those who bless you!” - Genesis 27:29

“Also the Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you." - Deuteronomy 30:7
 

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the Arabian and Muslim armies united with Germany, Italy and Japan in attempting to conquer the world

today the Arabian and Muslim nations in the Middle East are treated exactly as Germany, Italy and Japan -

Japan is legally restricted by its post-WWII constitution (Article 9) from maintaining a traditional military for offensive war

Italy was restricted in (1947): limiting the Italian army to 185,000 personnel (plus 65,000 Carabinieri), limited navy personnel to 25,000, and banned submarines, aircraft carriers, and bombers

Germany faced strict military limitations, starting with complete disarmament, which evolved into a capped force of 370,000 active personnel under the 1990 2+4 Treaty. Germany is banned from possessing, producing, or controlling nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, a restriction that remains active.


Arabian Nations and militaries after WWII were depleted of resources or political maneuvering



the jews were given opportunity to live in their 4000 year homeland