A biological resurrection, or a high tech resurrection at our fingertips.

[shnarkle]

We all know some of the basics about cell division. Each cell in the body, depending on how healthy it is will divide periodically. The really healthy cells divide at a much slower rate than those which are unhealthy or corrupted. As each cell divides, all of it's information is transferred from the old cell to the new one. The old cell is then sluffed off, and discarded by the body.

Regardless this process goes on throughout everybody's life span. Barring the logistical problem, what if each and every cell in the body were to divide simultaneously? What if this were to occur sporadically over the course of everybody's lifespan?

Well, you would probably wake up next to a corpse in the morning. You would have to deal with it before it started rotting and stinking up the place. Funeral homes, and crematoriums would make a killing, but I suspect a lot of people would simply burn their own bodies as they divided. Perhaps they'd just feed them to their dogs.

Some would probably seek to cryogenically freeze them until they could be somehow revived or rejuvenated, and reanimated because who wouldn't want to go back and possess a thawed out corpse?

The question I have is when something like this happens, isn't the information that is transferred from one cell to the other really who we are? It isn't really the cell itself is it? If this is the case, then why do we have this obsession with the body when the information is what is key to understanding who we are? I'm not sure where that information goes when there's no viable cells left to move into. The transhumanism movement seems like their about ready to transfer it all onto a thumb drive, and plug it into your laptop.

As silly as that may sound, it really isn't all that different than plugging it all back into your corpse, and for what? So we can do everything we were supposed to do the first go around? What's stopping us from doing it right the first time?

There are two words in the Greek that are translated as "life". One is "bios" which referes to biological life, and the other is "zoe" which is used when referring to "eternal life". This alone seems like a strong indication that eternal life isn't really referring to biological life.

 

[Windmill Charge]

The question I have is when something like this happens, isn't the information that is transferred from one cell to the other really who we are?

This has the merit of being a new idea, at least new to me.
So our identity, our selves is not some outworking of the mind, but is the biological information contained in each cell.

Have you been reading herberts Dune series where genetic information also retains the memories of ancestors? Just a thought.

No we are more than just genetic information passed from cell to cell, just as we are more than just meat computors.
The 'mystery' of self is a real problem for those who believe that the material is all there is. If it is true then our personalities are nothing more than electro chemical reaction in a comlecated lump of meat and the idea of 'free will' is only an illusion.

 

[shnarkle]

So our identity, our selves is not some outworking of the mind, but is the biological information contained in each cell.

The biological information contained in each cell is identified with the cell. The problem is that as closely related as identification is to identity, identification is not identity.

identity
[ˌīˈden(t)ədē]
NOUN

1. the fact of being who or what a person or thing is.
   "he knows the identity of the bombers" · 
   name · specification · identification · recognition · naming · singling out · picking out · pinpointing · placing · discerning · distinguishing · fingering
2. a close similarity or affinity.

etymology: "sameness, oneness, state of being the same"

Notice that "recognition, discerning, distinguishing" are included as synonyms. This involves the mind

The 'mystery' of self is a real problem for those who believe that the material is all there is. If it is true then our personalities are nothing more than electro chemical reaction in a comlecated lump of meat

This doesn't appear to be any different than your first claim that it is " the biological information contained in each cell."

How is biological information stored in each cell any different than the electro chemical reactions in a lump of meat?

and the idea of 'free will' is only an illusion.

All ideas are only just ideas. The idea of free will and the idea of predestination are both just ideas; ideas found in the electro chemical reactions in cells.

 

[prism]

The question I have is when something like this happens, isn't the information that is transferred from one cell to the other really who we are? It isn't really the cell itself is it?

Who we really are? Perhaps what our bodies are but not our spirit+body.

There are two words in the Greek that are translated as "life". One is "bios" which refers to biological life, and the other is "zoe" which is used when referring to "eternal life". This alone seems like a strong indication that eternal life isn't really referring to biological life.

I don't believe it is as bios can be measured and seen, where zoe speaks more of the quality inherent in life.

 

[Windmill Charge]

The biological information contained in each cell is identified with the cell. The problem is that as closely related as identification is to identity, identification is not identity.


Notice that "recognition, discerning, distinguishing" are included as synonyms. This involves the mind



This doesn't appear to be any different than your first claim that it is " the biological information contained in each cell."

How is biological information stored in each cell any different than the electro chemical reactions in a lump of meat?



All ideas are only just ideas. The idea of free will and the idea of predestination are both just ideas; ideas found in the electro chemical reactions in cells.

The genetic information in each cell is not te ame as the process our braind use when controlling our bodies or thinking.

 

[shnarkle]

The genetic information in each cell is not te ame as the process our braind use when controlling our bodies or thinking.

How so?

 

[Stranger]

We all know some of the basics about cell division. Each cell in the body, depending on how healthy it is will divide periodically. The really healthy cells divide at a much slower rate than those which are unhealthy or corrupted. As each cell divides, all of it's information is transferred from the old cell to the new one. The old cell is then sluffed off, and discarded by the body.

Regardless this process goes on throughout everybody's life span. Barring the logistical problem, what if each and every cell in the body were to divide simultaneously? What if this were to occur sporadically over the course of everybody's lifespan?

Well, you would probably wake up next to a corpse in the morning. You would have to deal with it before it started rotting and stinking up the place. Funeral homes, and crematoriums would make a killing, but I suspect a lot of people would simply burn their own bodies as they divided. Perhaps they'd just feed them to their dogs.

Some would probably seek to cryogenically freeze them until they could be somehow revived or rejuvenated, and reanimated because who wouldn't want to go back and possess a thawed out corpse?

The question I have is when something like this happens, isn't the information that is transferred from one cell to the other really who we are? It isn't really the cell itself is it? If this is the case, then why do we have this obsession with the body when the information is what is key to understanding who we are? I'm not sure where that information goes when there's no viable cells left to move into. The transhumanism movement seems like their about ready to transfer it all onto a thumb drive, and plug it into your laptop.

As silly as that may sound, it really isn't all that different than plugging it all back into your corpse, and for what? So we can do everything we were supposed to do the first go around? What's stopping us from doing it right the first time?

There are two words in the Greek that are translated as "life". One is "bios" which referes to biological life, and the other is "zoe" which is used when referring to "eternal life". This alone seems like a strong indication that eternal life isn't really referring to biological life.

What if? What if? What if?

What if a frog had wings? He wouldn't slap his butt every time he hopped.

Why is 'bios' and 'zoe' an indication that eternal life isn't physical also?

Stranger

 

[Windmill Charge]

How so?

Cells store information and only use it to make repairs or to reproduce.
Any calculations a cell does is controlled by its genetic information

The mind invents new information, apreatiates beauty etc.

 

[shnarkle]

Cells store information and only use it to make repairs or to reproduce.
Any calculations a cell does is controlled by its genetic information

The mind invents new information, apreatiates beauty etc.

Whatever new information is invented comes about through cellular processes though. Electrical signals are chemically transferred via these cellular pathways which you have just admitted are controlled by their genetic information.

This is been proven science for decades. Scientists can even provoke these feelings of appreciation for beauty, new ideas, even beatific visions of God simply by introducing chemicals into the system or external energy into different areas of the brain.

 

[Stranger]

Whatever new information is invented comes about through cellular processes though. Electrical signals are chemically transferred via these cellular pathways which you have just admitted are controlled by their genetic information.

This is been proven science for decades. Scientists can even provoke these feelings of appreciation for beauty, new ideas, even beatific visions of God simply by introducing chemicals into the system or external energy into different areas of the brain.

Scientists cannot provoke anything to give any appreciation for visions of God. How stupid. You can give one LSD and he may think he is having visions, but they are not of God.

Visions from God come from the Spirit of God. Not from any stupid chemical.

Stranger