A bit of a mess in the White House.
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This verse as presented does not give the same context that is found in the Hebrew Text for this verse.
After considering the Hebrew Text of Genesis 12:3, this is how I understand and express the same context as the Hebrew in English: -
This context is much closer to the Hebrew text.
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:וַאֲבָֽרֲכָה֙ מְבָ֣רְכֶ֔יךָ וּמְקַלֶּלְךָ֖ אָאֹ֑ר וְנִבְרְכ֣וּ בְךָ֔ כֹּ֖ל מִשְׁפְּחֹ֥ת הָאֲדָמָֽה
literally states:
…and I will bless of the earth the families all in you.
However, “ Through you the people who populate my fertile soil shall be blessed.” is basically the same.
Isaiah 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall beaccepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people (nations).
Why are you?
If yes, then show how the English context that I presented is not the same as the original Hebrew Context, otherwise your response is a false argument and rebuttal.
The context though is not the same. The context that I presented above, limits who the people are who will be Blessed by Israel to those who have chosen to die upon God's fertile soil such that, as they take root in His fertile soil, they gain His nourishment and everlasting life.
The problem is that the Meaning of H:0127 is soil, however the "translation committee" have chosen to extend that to all of the peoples of the earth by mistranslating H:0127 as "the earth."
Even Isaiah 56:7 in the context of Isaiah 56:6-8 defines who of the Gentiles will be gathered to God in the end times
Shalom
EVASIVE!!! No I'm not but I've studied MANY English Bibles for many years.
I'm not the one trying to rewrite the Bible.
There you go again! Trying to rewrite the Bible
But referencing faulty translations does not prove your point at all.
I am not rewriting the Bible as you are suggesting, but what I am doing is attempting to improve the contextual accuracy of the English translations so that the context of the Hebrew Text is actually reflected in the English translation.
Is there really a problem in trying to understand the context of the Hebrew Text and then applying that same context to the English translation.
If you do not know whether or not the translation has the right contextual understanding, then you are not qualified to comment at all.
Goodbye Jack
Prove they're all "faulty". They are quite consistent.
You're trying to teach us Hebrew. What are your qualification?
I learned many years ago there are many self professed Hebrew and Greek experts who contradict each other terribly. I'm satisfied with studying our English Bibles. Does God know English? I'm pretty sure He does. He knows EVERYTHING!
Lots of humans attack our English translations because they don't like what God said, I.E. JW's!
Just because the various translations for Gen 12:3 are all consistent does not guarantee that all are not faulty with respect to this verse.
Years of language studies and transmission of data precisely.
Most of the time I agree with you that the ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS are adequate for our needs and purposes, however, we should not show blind acceptance that the translations have everything right, and where it is wrong, we need to be able to come to the right understanding through our own study and meditation.
Yes many "humans" attack our English translations through their own ignorance, and they are not just JW's, but come from all denominations and cults variations.
The real question that needs to be answered is your understanding of Gen 12:3 right or wrong or is my understanding of this same verse right or wrong or do you just not like change for the better.
Goodbye Jack
And you must have had several different teachers who have their own opinions.
I constantly compare many English Bibles. They are overall quite consistent. They all teach Jesus is the God of Israel and Hell Fire is everlasting.
JW's and Copeland are some of the WORST Bible attackers.
Gen 12:3 is quite clear. Those who curse Israel are cursed, including the Israel identity thieves.
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You believe you are wiser than the numerous translation committees who give “and I will bless of the earth the families all in you” or “and I will bless all nations in you”.
rather than your
“Through you the people who populate my fertile soil shall be blessed.” ?
Context has nothing to do with your bizarre misinterpretation of the verse.
You have added words of your own imagination to it, concocting the ridiculous “those who have chosen to die upon God's fertile soil such that, as they take root in His fertile soil, they gain His nourishment and everlasting life.”
That entire chain of words and its meaning are nowhere to be found in Genesis 12:3.
All nations shall be blessed. Not all who choose to die … blah blah blah.
No, it's not. That is a distortion of the passage. Here is the original text properly translated:
The Gen 12:3 translation must be rendered in light of this:
Gal 3:7-9 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
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You are possibly right that Gal 3:7-9 has a bearing upon our understanding of Gen 12:3, however, what was the understanding some 2000 or so years before Gal 3:7-9 was written.
When God spoke to Jacob on his way up to Haran to get a wife from his mother's family, God told Jacob that his descendants would be scattered throughout the whole earth and that they would also be a blessing to all of the people who come into God's fertile soil.
God repeats the Genesis 12:3 promise to Abram, to Jacob when He fleshed out the Abrahamic Covenant to Jacob a little more.
Genesis 28:13-15 –– 13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: "I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the earth on which you lie I will give this entity to your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; they shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the people/families inhabiting My fertile soil shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go and will bring you back to my fertile soil; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you."
It should be noted that God repeated Genesis 28:15 through the prophetic utterances of many prophets when He stated that when He begins to gather the Israelites to Himself that He will plant them in His fertile soil/field. Ezekiel 34:11-16 confirms this
Ezekiel 34:13: - 13 “And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries and will bring them into their own fertile soil/field; I will feed them on the mountain(s) of Israel, {a metaphor for Israel’s religious basis}, {where they are living} in the {river} valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country/earth.”
Remember that Jacob stalled before he willingly went down to Egypt until the Lord reassured of His promises given to Jacob in Gen 28:13-15.
Perhaps you may like to consider the above prayerfully.
Shalom
Genesis 46:1-7: - Jacob's Journey to Egypt
(Ex 6:14-25)
46:1 So Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices to the God of his father Isaac. 2 Then God spoke to Israel in the visions of the night, and said, "Jacob, Jacob!"
And he said, "Here I am."
3 So He said, "I am God, the God of your father; do not fear to go down to Egypt, for I will make of you a great nation there. 4 I will go down with you to Egypt, and I will also surely bring you up again; and Joseph will put his hand on your eyes."
5 Then Jacob arose from Beersheba; and the sons of Israel carried their father Jacob, their little ones, and their wives, in the carts which Pharaoh had sent to carry him. 6 So they took their livestock and their goods, which they had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to Egypt, Jacob and all his descendants with him. 7 His sons and his sons' sons, his daughters and his sons' daughters, and all his descendants he brought with him to Egypt.
Perhaps you may like to consider the above prayerfully.
Shalom
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That's exactly what he's trying to do to accommodate his anti-semitism. "The people who populate" my fertile soil makes it seem like all of God's efforts through the prophets is to one day elevate Islamic "refugees."
We have an Islamic-Christian heritage, don't you know. That Jesus was a Jew and the entire Bible with the possible exception of Luke, was written by Jews (broadly, a synonym for the Hebrews), has no relevance to anything. Makes one wonder if salvation is through the Islamic refugees "who populate" my fertile soil? John 4:22.
Muslims will LIE / threaten / murder like the Devil to recruit victims!
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amigo de christo
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Sadly even i can see this in him .
It be time to put zero hope in any of them . Not the liberal left , not the conservative right , and not in the donald either .
ITS TIME we bible up and get busy Preaching CHRIST and all bibical sound doctrine .
amigo de christo
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Out of curiosity i was wondering if ye knew exactly what the l argest and fastest growing cult is .
INCLUSIVE . it will merge all religoins and all peoples of this earth under one common goal
and under a god that all will beleive is GOD and is LOVE and its peace plan be the way to peace n safety of the world .
SO just a heads up to what the well favored ecumeincal inclusive intefaith co exist HARLOT been up too and been doing .
SHE do the work of a fast growing in power ONE world govt .
For it knew , they knew that in order to take over the world , YE HAVE to convince them first , changing them
from within and reforming what each religoin saw and beleived was GOD
to a god that ALL religoins can believe IS THE GOD . Oh they sure did chip away
and o ver time they sure have reformed the image of what THEY think be GOD , into an image
With an agenda , that all religoins beleive is GOD , is LOVE and has come to bring us all peace on earth .
NOW if that sounds rather like the agenda of satan to create a system fit for His beast
and that which is of anti christ by who its peace shall destroy many , THEN YA SPOT ON RIGHT .
Many are the anti christs who now work as a nimrod we are one genertaion and merge all religions
and tribes to be as one for one COMMON goal . WORLD PEACE N SAFETY . only what a lie it is , what a delusion this truly is
FOR IT IS NOT GOD , IT IS NOT LOVE , ITS PEACE be OF ANTICHRIST .
amigo de christo
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Yes they will .
But what i say to one and say and type to all ....
THE UNHOLY HARLOT of all harlots and her INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN of ecumeinal int efaith
of that which is surely of anti christ ,
WELL when the ecumencial phase ends the CRUSADES phase begins .
ANY GUESSES on who gonna be its target in and on that day .
IF you said anything and anyone that did not conform to this inclusive religoin
and its image of what it called GOD and IT said was HIS LOVE and His plan for world peace .
WELL THEN BINGO . its all a set up now . A powerful delusion has b een sent .
And this delusion will be recieved by all WHO REJECTED THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH
whereby they could have been saved . And they will ALL BELEIVE A LIE .
this delusion has come TO UNITE , not sheep , but THE DECIEVED to be as ONE MAN ONE MIND , ONE HEART
IT has come to bring the decieved back together as ONE UNITY , by which
it cliams bE OF GOD .
The divided of the decieved , NO LONGER DIVIDED but NOW UNITED AS A NIMROD
we are one world and peoples .
The devil is a liar .
BUT never ever forget that when he cometh to decieve
HE gonna act likes its for you and your own good that you beleive what he says .
ONLY it will be their end unto all who do buy and beleive THE LIE .
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