Trust would imply that I believe I could be betrayed. If I don't believe the partner I love could betray me, I needn't be concerned with trusting them.
A question about belief
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So you're saying my physical body and all it's senses count for nothing, and knowing Jesus is dependent on a soul/spirit experience?
I guess I need to ask (What senses outside of the physical body does a soul/spirit have to know Jesus is real?)
And what word would you use to describe that relationship (where you don't believe the partner you love could betray you)?
That's a great word to use to describe the relationship between the Father and Christ.
(Note: you are asking really good questions on your other posts too, but to address one topic at a time, I'm staying focused on this one for now)
Actually it's believing the partner I love could betray me before they've betrayed me that becomes the driving force for having trust.
Jesus did not "have to believe" anything. Jesus is God. He was conscious of the Father within Him and He within the Father 24/7.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. (John 14:11)
Let's try to avoid getting caught up in word-games.
You have this relationship with your partner: you love them, you know they're never going to betray you, etc. Correct?
Christ likewise has a relationship with His Father: loving, knowing there'll never be betrayal, etc.
Are you saying Jesus could betray Jesus? There is no possibility that Jesus could betray his heavenly father-self.
Vast vast majority of Christians believe that Christ and the Father are two different persons. Christ doesn't pray to Himself, pat himself on the back during his baptism, etc. They're two different persons in one God.
I'll break this down and go step by step.
Bob is Joe's son. Bob loves Joe and knows that Joe will never betray him. Even they're not literally beside each other.
That make sense? Are you following me?
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I’m afraid so, we can ‘will’ ourselves to believe-with our volition and pray. ‘Love The Lord with all your heart, soul, ‘mind’ and strength’. But ultimately, the gift of faith comes from Him.
Not trying to answer the question posed. I just want to say that when I saw your name, I felt compelled to to let you know that on this forum, "we ride together, we die together."
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You're suggesting that Jesus can betray me by the fact I can trust him. I know I can trust no one because I have been betrayed, n
The heart is connected to the emotional side of our physical brain (Is that not so?)
The mind is made up of chemical and electrical networks spread throughout our physical brain (Is that not so?)
Our own strength need not count regarding the power of a God (Who knows if that is so)
I how zero idea how you go from
"Bob is Joe's son. Bob loves Joe and knows that Joe will never betray him."
to thinking that "Jesus can betray me". That's the literal opposite of what I said.
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(in rabbi-speak anyway, prolly)
contemplate Eve as rep of "emotions," maybe
and the two shall become one flesh
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lol
prolly more like "having faith" over "believing," even if they do share a synonym. "Belief" per se is discounted in the Bible, @ the "Good" Samaritan, etc
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Yes. I believe there is a connection, and thought of something physical/practical during the night! I was searching for years, but was too impatient to keep on track, and would give up. Then, for the first time, someone gave me a New Testament Bible. I just read john’s Gospel quite a few times (a lot to digest) and faith suddenly came.
I myself have read the Bible extensively, to the point that I disregarded common sense. If I didn't step back and rethink the thing's I believed in some time ago, I would be a hollowed out shell of a human now. But that's me, not you or anyone else.Yes. I believe there is a connection, and thought of something physical/practical during the night! I was searching for years, but was too impatient to keep on track, and would give up. Then, for the first time, someone gave me a New Testament Bible. I just read john’s Gospel quite a few times (a lot to digest) and faith suddenly came.
