Many of you believe that our loving creator sends much of his creation to suffer horribly in Hell FOREVER. Here is my question. How many different forms of torture do you believe our loving creator uses to torture his creation?
A rather rhetorical question for the "Hell is FOREVER" crowd
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Michiah-Imla
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Bob Estey
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There are some things the majority of Christians believe, and because the majority of Christians believe these things to be true, they assume they are true. One of those things is that a lot of people burn in hell forever.
I think it's more accurate to say that there will always be a hell for people who want to sin.
We are told that there will be weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth.
I believe it will be because they have seen and realise what they have rejected.
WE will all realise that God's judgement of those who hate him is perfectly just.
The use of emotive words like ' torture ' only shows a little,e of understand about God's Holiness and our sinfulness.
None of us deserve God's mercy and those who reject it are guilt of being sinners and guilty of despising God's offer of mercy.
That may be true. It's also true that they will come out of the Lake of Fire as new creatures. They too will inherit God's kingdom after being purified by fire and brimstone.
Silly question. God does not "torture". If you reject the doctrine of eternal Hell, then you are also calling Christ a liar. Is that how you wish to face Him?
Looks like we now have a bunch of Universalism promoters on CB. And universalism is false doctrine. Either believe the whole Bible, or disbelieve all of it. There is no middle ground.
Since you admit this, then it should not be a problem to accept what the Bible says about Hell (the Lake of Fire). Ultimately it is not human opinions but the Word of God which is the final authority.
Eternally Grateful
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they send themselves there Don’t blame Jesus, He paid their debt, they rejected his gift.
So dramatic.
The original translation from Greek was botched, quite possibly on purpose.
There are countless verses from multiple Bible authors that demonstrate that ALL will be saved in the end.
On the contrary, my brother, it is YOU that is rejecting the scripture.
Incorrect.
Revelation 20:15
Young's Literal Translation
15 and if any one was not found written in the scroll of the life, he was cast to the lake of the fire.
The one who has suffered has ceased from sin. How else can the unrepentant be restrained from continuing in sin?
Much love!
Hebrews 2:5-9
5 For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. 6 It has been testified somewhere,
“What is man, that you are mindful of him,
or the son of man, that you care for him?
7 You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
you have crowned him with glory and honor,
8 putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. 9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
5 For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. 6 It has been testified somewhere,
“What is man, that you are mindful of him,
or the son of man, that you care for him?
7 You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
you have crowned him with glory and honor,
8 putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. 9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
Are you saying then that God tortures people so that they will receive Him as their loving Father?
Much love!
By being transformed by Christ and having the unnatural affliction of sin removed by Christ through purification.
Eternally Grateful
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They don't want that. That's why they end up in the lake of fire. They do not want to be reborn.
Much love!
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