A rather rhetorical question for the "Hell is FOREVER" crowd

[Patrick1966]

Are you saying then that God tortures people so that they will receive Him as their loving Father?

Much love!

Nope. Hell is punitive but it's punitive for the purpose of correction. It is also purifying, restorative, and a temporary process.

 

[Patrick1966]

They don't want that.

They're blind and lost. God fixes them.

 

[marks]

they send themselves there Don’t blame Jesus, He paid their debt, they rejected his gift.

I'd disagree. All who were not found written in the Lamb's book of life will be tossed into the lake of fire. It's done to them, decreed by God.

It will be righteous and true judgment.

Much love!

 

[Patrick1966]

Why did he cast them there?

For correction and purification.

 

[marks]

Nope. Hell is punitive but it's punitive for the purpose of correction. It is also purifying, restorative, and a temporary process.

Hold on.

You are the one who connected the lake of fire with torture. Is it or isn't it?

Much love!

 

[marks]

They're blind and lost. God fixes them.

They chose not to be "fixed". So you are saying God forces His will on them through the mechanism of torturing them until they submit to Him.

You have to decide which is true. Gratuitous torture, or suffering with a purpose.

Much love!

 

[marks]

1 John 3:3 esv
And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

What hope is being referred to there?

Much love!

 

[Patrick1966]

You are the one who connected the lake of fire with torture. Is it or isn't it?

That's the view of most Christians.

 

[Patrick1966]

They chose not to be "fixed". So you are saying God forces His will on them through the mechanism of torturing them until they submit to Him.

You have to decide which is true. Gratuitous torture, or suffering with a purpose.

Much love!

Now you're being rhetorical to win an argument.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'd disagree. All who were not found written in the Lamb's book of life will be tossed into the lake of fire. It's done to them, decreed by God.

It will be righteous and true judgment.

Much love!

My point is. They had a way out. So by rejecting their way out. They in fact send themselves there.

 

[Charlie24]

Nope. Hell is punitive but it's punitive for the purpose of correction. It is also purifying, restorative, and a temporary process.

Show us that from Scripture. Patrick!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For correction and purification.

Thats in error

They are purified by the cross. If they reject the cross. They remain dead.

 

[Patrick1966]

My point is. They had a way out. So by rejecting their way out. They in fact send themselves there.

Forever? For what purpose?

 

[Patrick1966]

Thats in error

They are purified by the cross. If they reject the cross. They remain dead.

There are countless verses that describe God as a refiner. God tests (torments) us in this life and those that choose Jesus are saved from Hell fire. Those that don't go to Hell but it's for a period of time or for an "age".

Mark 9:49 esv
For everyone will be salted with fire.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Forever? For what purpose?

Forever?

Because they rejected God.

Hell was made for satan and his angels..

Those who reject jesus will suffer their fate along with satan and his angels.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are countless verses that describe God as a refiner. God tests (torments) us in this life and those that choose Jesus are saved from Hell fire. Those that don't go to Hell but it's for a period of time or for an "age".

Mark 9:49 esv
For everyone will be salted with fire.

Yep. God refines

He refines those that are his.

But those who are not his, he will cast into our darkness.

 

[Patrick1966]

Show us that from Scripture. Patrick!

I've shown you innumerable times and you reject the scriptures.

 

[Patrick1966]

Forever?

Because they rejected God.

Hell was made for satan and his angels..

Those who reject jesus will suffer their fate along with satan and his angels.

Forever? Verse please?

 

[Charlie24]

Forever? For what purpose?

Because "wages of sin is death" that is a Law of God!

They ignored it and didn't seek God's forgiveness.

 

[Charlie24]

I've shown you innumerable times and you reject the scriptures.

Well, let's me and you go to the Scripture and find out who's doing the rejecting!