A WAR IS COMING, BUT IT WON’T BE FOUGHT ON EARTH.

[Davy]

"ENGLISH" is not the language of truth.

But do notice the timing in verse 15 is "till iniquity was found in thee"--which was first revealed "in the Garden" (as I said).

Nope! When Lucifer coveted GOD'S THRONE, that is when he fell, and WHY... he fell, as it was his job as the "anointed cherub that covereth" to guard that Throne in Heaven. That was long before Adam and Eve.

Isaiah 14 was explicit on this point too, that Lucifer's original fall had nothing... to do with Adam and Eve, but instead with his coveting God's Throne which was his job to guard, and in wanting to be worshiped as GOD.

The words in 'red' are what Lucifer boasted he will do, which God is using against him...

Isa 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
KJV


(I find it amazing that some brethren have such short-term memory where IF they actually did read and study the Book of Isaiah, how they so easily forgot what was written there when they continue in study of the Book of Ezekiel later.)

 

[ScottA]

Nope! When Lucifer coveted GOD'S THRONE, that is when he fell, and WHY... he fell, as it was his job as the "anointed cherub that covereth" to guard that Throne in Heaven. That was long before Adam and Eve.

Isaiah 14 was explicit on this point too, that Lucifer's original fall had nothing... to do with Adam and Eve, but instead with his coveting God's Throne which was his job to guard, and in wanting to be worshiped as GOD.

The words in 'red' are what Lucifer boasted he will do, which God is using against him...

Isa 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
KJV


(I find it amazing that some brethren have such short-term memory where IF they actually did read and study the Book of Isaiah, how they so easily forgot what was written there when they continue in study of the Book of Ezekiel later.)

Again...you are confusing the revealing of what was true even before the foundation of the world, with that information being revealed later in the scriptures...which could not have been after the beginning, since he was already doing evil "in the Garden."

You really need to loose that worldly thinking (as if everything revolves around this world). You have it all wrong.

 

[Davy]

Again...you are confusing the revealing of what was true even before the foundation of the world, with that information being revealed later in the scriptures...which could not have been after the beginning, since he was already doing evil "in the Garden."

Firstly, your mocking doesn't work on me. You only show stupidity with your mocking, so I suggest you belay that, otherwise you become like the old saying, "it's better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt."


Ezek 28:13-15
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV


So per your view, God was telling lies when He said He created Lucifer originally perfect in his ways, and how Lucifer served Him at God's Stones of Fire of His Altar, as an anointed cherub that covereth (The Mercy Seat, God's Throne), and that Lucifer doing that meant Lucifer was EVIL? You just mocked GOD Himself with your LIE against that Ezekiel 28 Scripture.

Did you not know that God's Garden of Eden existed BEFORE... He formed the man Adam?

You are either strangely confused, or you are pushing confusion here on purpose.

 

[ScottA]

Firstly, your mocking doesn't work on me. You only show stupidity with your mocking, so I suggest you belay that, otherwise you become like the old saying, "it's better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt."


Ezek 28:13-15
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV


So per your view, God was telling lies when He said He created Lucifer originally perfect in his ways, and how Lucifer served Him at God's Stones of Fire of His Altar, as an anointed cherub that covereth (The Mercy Seat, God's Throne), and that Lucifer doing that meant Lucifer was EVIL? You just mocked GOD Himself with your LIE against that Ezekiel 28 Scripture.

Did you not know that God's Garden of Eden existed BEFORE... He formed the man Adam?

You are either strangely confused, or you are pushing confusion here on purpose.

You dish mocking out daily--but can't take it. Typical.

But no, the word of God is clear: Satan was evil "in the Garden"--and you do not believe it when Ezekiel explains the correct timing.

 

[NayborBear]

Again...you are confusing the revealing of what was true even before the foundation of the world, with that information being revealed later in the scriptures...which could not have been after the beginning, since he was already doing evil "in the Garden."

You really need to loose that worldly thinking (as if everything revolves around this world). You have it all wrong.

What "you" are doing ScottA is binding, or trying to bind, what the "Order of Melchizedek" is all about!
Because this "Holy Royal Priesthood" doesn't "start FROM" the moment one believes and accepts Jesus Christ of Nazareth as one's High Priest AND "Kinsmen Redeemer" going forward to eternity?
It also goes BACKWARDS "through eternity!"
This is what is meant "you are a Priest FOREVER after the Order of Melchizedek!"
Granted, this "particular passage" is in reference to the coming Messiah!
But not ONLY FOR Messiah!

It simply boggles my mind that so many people out there think, or believe, or misrepresent what not only what "forever" means.
But that "Order" consists of only ONE!
As seen here!:
Psalm 45:7
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

And one may think/interpret this as referring to David, or Solomon.
Better think harder!

 

[ScottA]

What "you" are doing ScottA is binding, or trying to bind, what the "Order of Melchizedek" is all about!
Because this "Holy Royal Priesthood" doesn't "start FROM" the moment one believes and accepts Jesus Christ of Nazareth as one's High Priest AND "Kinsmen Redeemer" going forward to eternity?
It also goes BACKWARDS "through eternity!"
This is what is meant "you are a Priest FOREVER after the Order of Melchizedek!"
Granted, this "particular passage" is in reference to the coming Messiah!
But not ONLY FOR Messiah!

It simply boggles my mind that so many people out there think, or believe, or misrepresent what not only what "forever" means.
But that "Order" consists of only ONE!
As seen here!:
Psalm 45:7
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

And one may think/interpret this as referring to David, or Solomon.
Better think harder!

Indeed!

The call for "the renewing of your mind" is a call to think in terms of "I AM" (timelessly), rather than the way of the times of this world as existing on a timeline.

 

[NayborBear]

Indeed!

The call for "the renewing of your mind" is a call to think in terms of "I AM" (timelessly), rather than the way of the times of this world as existing on a timeline.

Well? I myself "coined" a term in a striving of keeping things in a more organized perspective in reference to "timelessly?"
Because Eternity covers such a VAST AMOUNT of what we refer to as "time?"
Helps keep things just a tad less confusing (for me anyways...lol), and a little easier in digesting as:
Slices of Eternity.
And?
Should this help someone else out in their particular "Spiritual Pilgrimage?"
Is for GOD'S GLORY!
In the not only becoming cognizant OF, but in their embracing that this current slice of eternity present is only around 6,000 years er thereabouts.
And we have read about the Millennium "slice of eternity future."
And scientists have proven (empirically anyways) that this 3rd rock from the sun is "Multiple MILLIONS" of years (as we know time) old. Which are merely "days" in the eyes of our Creator.
And their ARE "hints" in the Bible REFERRING to events in PREVIOUS slices of eternity to Adam and Eve.
Of which is not very unusual at all in scripture where things recorded CAN and sometimes DOES cover hundreds and even thousands of YEARS in this slice of eternity in a single sentence or verse.