Abraham, Father of Believing Gentiles Too?

[Davy]

In Galatians 3, Apostle Paul taught how God's Salvation Promise by Faith, i.e., The Gospel of Jesus Christ, was first given to Abraham 430 years before the law was given, and Abraham believed God. Then God counted Abraham's Faith as righteousness. Thus all those of Faith like Abraham have become "the children of Abraham".

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree':
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

You see friends, God did not... only give this Promise by Faith to Abraham, but to us Gentiles also! Our Heavenly Father through His Son made sure His chosen of the seed of Israel had first opportunity to believe The Gospel as Abraham did, but the majority of the house of Judah (Jews) at Jerusalem rejected it, and thus Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D.



Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Does that sound like Christ's Church is divided between Israelites and Gentiles?? No Way! That is NOT... what Apostle Paul taught there, but it is what the unbelieving Jews teach today! What do I mean by that?

Since 1948, many Jews returned to the middle east and the United Nations voted on allowing Israel to become a nation again. Israel had not been a nation for almost 2,000 years up to that point. And since that time, the free nations have sent them funds (our U.S. government too), and helped them develop their nation and economy in many ways, so that they have become a fruitful nation in the midst of their neighboring nations.

Because of this present development, and certain religious sects among today's Jews in the nation state of Israel, they are trying... to present a false time-schedule of Bible prophecy for themselves. Yes, I said a FALSE TIME-SCHEDULE.

The Jews returning to the state of Israel is only a small remnant of two main groups, the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. These do not even include the majority of original Israel like the lost ten tribes who were separated from the Jews and then scattered through the countries prior to them. So today's Jews represent only a small portion of total Israel. The ten tribes are still lost today, and they don't even know who they are, and the Jews certainly don't know who or where the ten lost tribes are!

Yet some of these same Jews in preaching a false time-schedule of Bible prophesy, will even flat out lie and say the ten tribes were all joined in among the house of Judah (Jews) at some point in history! What they are trying... to say by that, is that all Israel is being GATHERED back to the holy land today per God's OT prophets! But in reality, God is simply keeping His promise of 1 Kings 11 to David and to Jerusalem...

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[Davy]

The following was God splitting old Israel into two separate kingdoms, and giving ten tribes to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim, to rule over in the northern lands of Israel. Those ten tribes with Jeroboam as king became known as "Israel" after this split. The southern kingdom at Judea-Jerusalem became known as the "kingdom of Judah", and those were the Jews of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (and Levi later, along with some small remnants of the northern tribes that left the north).


1 Kings 11:28-39
28 And the man Jeroboam was a mighty man of valour: and Solomon seeing the young man that he was industrious, he made him ruler over all the charge of the house of Joseph.

Solomon had made Jeroboam ruler over the "house of Joseph", which meant the ten tribes living in the northern lands above Jerusalem. Jeroboam was of the tribe of Ephraim. Now God had ordained Judah to be the royal ruling tribe, and the house of David as the kingline, and that was Solomon's lineage, and Solomon's son Rehoboam who became king over the "kingdom of Judah" in this split. But Jeroboam was of the tribe of Ephraim, not Judah nor house of David. Yet below, God is going to rend the kingdom from Solomon's son, and give ten tribes to Jeroboam of Ephraim to rule over...


29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:

If you had just bought a brand new coat, and someone came up to you, and tore it off you, and then ripped it into 12 pieces in front of you, how would you... feel? Do you think that would get your attention? Obviously, that's what God had designed it to do to Jeroboam, get his attention.


31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32(But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)
33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David My servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept My commandments and My statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.
36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.
37 And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel.
38 And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in My ways, and do that is right in My sight, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as David My servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.
KJV

Those two verses in red reveals God's promise to always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for His servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, because God chose Jerusalem to put His name there. That is still... what we are seeing today! We are NOT... seeing the gathering of the 12 tribes back... to the lands of Israel today! The ten tribes are not... returning today! We still have a way to go in Bible prophecy for the end. And one of the end prophecies per our Lord Jesus is the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem to play God, and sit in a new rebuilt temple there! That near-future event will accompany a great falling away of the Jews in false worship to that fake pseudo-Christ. And it will include many Christian brethren also that will be deceived by them.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

the lost tribes of Israel is not lost, they are in the Church too. there are two types of "Strangers" and one type is of Israel who God divorce, with a bill of divorcement. Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

these strangers, (some of them), the apostle Peter wrote to. 1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1 Peter 1:2 "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied".

and the apostle Peter made it clear that all "strangers" are accepted, and James backed him up.

Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Acts 15:6 "And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Acts 15:7 "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Acts 15:8 "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Acts 15:9 "And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 15:10 "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 15:12 "Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Acts 15:13 "And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Acts 15:14 "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Acts 15:15 "And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Acts 15:16 "After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Acts 15:17 "That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

the apostle Pauld certified the Gentiles/strangers to the commonwealth.

Ephesians 2:11 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Ephesians 2:12 "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 2:13 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Ephesians 2:16 "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Ephesians 2:17 "And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

for all of this was foretold, Isaiah 14:1 "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob".

Isaiah 56:3 "Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isaiah 56:4 "For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; (see acts 8, the Ethiopian Eunuch), GOD KNOW EXACTLY WHERE EVERYONE IS AT, INCLUDING THE TEN TRIBES.
Isaiah 56:5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isaiah 56:6 "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isaiah 56:7 "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isaiah 56:8 "The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

PICJAG

 

[Davy]

GINOLJC, to all.

the lost tribes of Israel is not lost, they are in the Church too. there are two types of "Strangers" and one type is of Israel who God divorce, with a bill of divorcement. Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
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Just a note.

The ten lost tribes of the house of Israel truly are... still lost, technically. The Book of Hosea reveals this. This doesn't mean they no longer exist. It simply means they are still hidden in the world today. Most of them still don't know they have a heritage from old Israel. God scattered them among the nations and they lost their heritage as Israel. God allowed them to go fully into paganism, and their names and customs changed so they'd be lost. The Jews don't know who or where the ten tribes are today either. But the Jews kept their heritage as part of Israel (i.e., the "house of Judah"). They kept the old customs and God's laws.

But because the unbelieving Jews in today's Jerusalem plan to build another temple and start up old covenant worship again, and they will believe on the coming pseudo-Messiah God is getting ready to send them, those same Jews are trying to say the ten tribes returned long ago, when they did not. Their reason for pushing that lie to try and make others think that God is restoring Israel again in final as prophesied by the OT prophets. Their religious leaders know that cannot happen without all 12 tribes. The reality though, is those Jews today only represent still the "house of Judah", just 3 tribes (Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes, but not the majority that were scattered).

 

[Dave L]

When Jesus abolished circumcision, he abolished unbelieving Jews from ever being part of Israel (the Church). And he grafted us who believe into the vacuum they left. Now as gentiles, the unbelievers, God will reattach but only through faith in Christ.

 

[101G]

Just a note.

The ten lost tribes of the house of Israel truly are... still lost, technically. The Book of Hosea reveals this. This doesn't mean they no longer exist. It simply means they are still hidden in the world today. Most of them still don't know they have a heritage from old Israel. God scattered them among the nations and they lost their heritage as Israel. God allowed them to go fully into paganism, and their names and customs changed so they'd be lost. The Jews don't know who or where the ten tribes are today either. But the Jews kept their heritage as part of Israel (i.e., the "house of Judah"). They kept the old customs and God's laws.

But because the unbelieving Jews in today's Jerusalem plan to build another temple and start up old covenant worship again, and they will believe on the coming pseudo-Messiah God is getting ready to send them, those same Jews are trying to say the ten tribes returned long ago, when they did not. Their reason for pushing that lie to try and make others think that God is restoring Israel again in final as prophesied by the OT prophets. Their religious leaders know that cannot happen without all 12 tribes. The reality though, is those Jews today only represent still the "house of Judah", just 3 tribes (Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes, but not the majority that were scattered).

First thanks for the reply, second, agreed, not lost, nor found by man, (jews nor Gentiles) for it is by "FAITH" that they are KNOWN. but God knows where everyone of the lost "TRIBES", not HOUSE, but tribes of Israle are at.

also agree with "the jews plan to build another temple and start up old covenant worship again".

PICJAG.