Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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But it is His Law that is His will so is not grievous to us, and we follow it out of love for Him.
What commands are not grievous?

Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles
a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

--- COMPARE ---

Matthew 11:30 NIV
For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

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I know 100 % in my spirit that it’s Born Again, that God is in my Spirit, ( The Holy Spirit indwells my spirit)I have nowhere to go other than him, that’s taken 33 yrs to understand...I can only rely 100% on the Spirit.

Of course it can’t be proven as it’s by divine heart revelation that I became Born Again, it’s betwee The Holy Spirit and my spirit....

I don’t need to prove that I’m a child of God to anyone...Praise God!.

God loved me before I could love him back, ..once my spirit was Born Again, that’s when I received the Love Of God in my heart, overwhelming it was, still after 33 yrs I can’t believe it, ..I thank Him daily for the Love that he poured into my heart all those years ago....it just keeps getting deeper and stronger...he is true to his word.
 
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But it is His Law that is His will so is not grievous to us, and we follow it out of love for Him.
His Law and His will?
As if the New Covenant is just the Old Covenant written on a new material? - LOL

If you paid off your mortgage, could I reprint it on yellow paper and have you pay it again?

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Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles
a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

--- COMPARE ---

Matthew 11:30 NIV
For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Those in the Book of Acts are adding to God's Word resulting in a heavy yoke being put upon the people.... they were the religious people Jesus said were of their father the devil.

His Law and His will?

You need to become aware that in the New Covenant... we are under the Law of Christ:

In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.

Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.

Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*Free as in no longer being a slave to sin, as in stop doing sinful things!

2 Peter 1:4-10
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. (*Notice what Paul said about his own body in 1 Corinthians 9:27)

Colossians 3:6-10
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Those that do not put on the New Man and quit walking after the flesh, the wrath of God comes upon them for their disobedience because God is NOT mocked, if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Things end very badly for those that do not obey the gospel.

Romans 11:19-25
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Law of Christ
The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).

He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.

By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possession.

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27 ).

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan ( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).

In light of this, Paul understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident. Paul's own admonition to fulfill the law of Christ by bearing one another's burdens provides both a pithy restatement of Jesus' summary of the law and an indication that Jesus' teaching fulfills prophetic expectations.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 

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Absolutely not, nor could we in this present state of being. I presume your question was rhetorical. What is the point you are trying to make?

But, thru God's Word and having the Holy Ghost as our Teacher... we do have access to the mind of Christ!

Most Christians have no clue what we have access to... and the devil laughs at them over it too!

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

*Most folks quote verse 16 and they stop right there and say "see, we ain't supposed to know nuthin" rolleyes3.gif

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 

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Absolutely not, nor could we in this present state of being. I presume your question was rhetorical. What is the point you are trying to make?
You seem to understand.
Many Christians claim that we have absolute truth. But we don't. We couldn't handle it.

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Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?"
- John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?"
- John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?
Some do, most do not
 
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Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?"
- John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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I personally think truth is what is understood from God's living word, or revelation. It's checks all of the boxes for our human verification process. It is experiential, it is evidential, it has supporting facts. It is not just subjective, but also objective, even if it doesn't fit within the requirements of physical science or human control.

So "truth" necessarily transcends the created world, being a transmission from the transcendent God to created beings, or Man. It is interesting how another branch of understanding, evidential apologetics, we run into this hard boundary of our own finite limitations.

We find evidence, but is that enough? Many things we believe are true has evidence that 99% points towards a certain crime has been committed by such a person, but what about the 1% possibilitity we're wrong and execute or punish the wrong man?

I'm fascinated by the science exploring whether it can be proved that God created the universe. They've developed the philosophy that claims strong evidence for Intelligent Design. Again, we run up against a hard wall that prevents us from viewing this design as the product of a Creator or something built into the universe itself.

So, I think there has to be a real connection between the transcendent God and created Man, whether we recognize it or not. We may indeed be faulty, having been born in a Sinful Condition, and cannot trust out own minds. But what truth we get may indeed be based on God's connection to our minds via His revelation, or word.
 
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I personally think truth is what is understood from God's living word, or revelation. It's checks all of the boxes for our human verification process. It is experiential, it is evidential, it has supporting facts. It is not just subjective, but also objective, even if it doesn't fit within the requirements of physical science or human control.

So "truth" necessarily transcends the created world, being a transmission from the transcendent God to created beings, or Man.
@St. SteVen please pay full attention to @Randy Kluth post of truth

@Randy Kluth = Since Truth transcends the created world, what must we do to ascertain that which transcends us???
 
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@St. SteVen please pay full attention to @Randy Kluth post of truth

@Randy Kluth = Since Truth transcends the created world, what must we do to ascertain that which transcends us???
BELIEVE . and that is the simply beauty of it .
But who we beleive and what we beleive ..................
Better BE GOD and not what many men cliam was of and is of God as they simply twisted
THE Truth .
What does a sheep believe david .
What is a sheep been born of my friend
and what Spirit does a sheep have within it and even causes it to LOVE
that which came not of men and of the world , BUT that which is of GOD . TRUTH .
IS it any wonder why JESUS first said
and john later wrote
HE who hears us is of GOD but he who hears not us IS NOT of GOD .
Please look again at this last statment .
HE who hears us is OF GOD , but HE who hears not us is not of GOD .
And know and understand that a statement like that today
WILL GET YOU LABELED as a judgmental hater . And yet ITS JUST AS TRUE TODAY as it ever was back then .
HE who is of GOD hears THE WORDS OF GOD
And all that the FATHER HAS GIVEN UNTO THE SON will hear HIS WORDS , HIS WORD , THE TRUTH .
But again try telling that to this diverse inclusive many path lovey do interfiath world and religoins .
WHAT IS TRUTH . HERE IS TRUTH . I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
and no man COMETH unto the FATHER but BY ME .
My sheep hear my voice . And he who cometh TO ME i shall in no wise cast out .
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . And you can bet its meat for the souls of the sheep . Scriptures are lovely to the taste
of the sheep .
 

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Some do, most do not
Now lets be real real specific about who the some is and who the many are not .
The sheep are the some WHO DO
and anyone else who beleives not The TESTIMONY that GOD gave of the son
and the many who do not who remain in darkness and have and do love a lie .
THEY WILL be damned . And how do i know this
cause THE TRUTH HIMSELF said so . JESUS actually IS THE TRUTH . He did not just know the truth
HE IS THE TRUTH . And as you also know
HE did not come to just preach about how one can attain LIFE , HE IS LIFE ITSELF and GIVETH LIFE ETERNAL
unto all who do BELIEVE IN HIM .
GOD IS TRUTH , HIS WORD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH
HE IS LIFE , HIS WORD IS LIFE , HIS SPIRIT is LIFE
And any and all who reject HIM , who reject JESUS as the CHRIST the only NAME whereby one may be saved
HAVE REJECTED GOD ALL MIGHTY and shall reap a moutain of wrath upon themselves on THE DAY OF HIS JUDGMENT .
ALL JUDGEMENT has BEEN GIVEN UNTO THE SON .
And all who hear and do not
SHALL BE JUDGED BY HIS WORDS on THE DAY of THE GREAT JUDGMENT .
THIS IS JUST AS REAL TODAY as it was when JESUS first spoke it .
MEN have decieved these peoples for centuries and throughout the ages
but the sheep did not heed these deceivers , as they still do not heed them even TODAY . TRENCH TIME .
 
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@St. SteVen please pay full attention to @Randy Kluth post of truth

@Randy Kluth = Since Truth transcends the created world, what must we do to ascertain that which transcends us???
What must we do to ascertain that which transcends us .
BELEIVE HIM . now eve chose not too , and adam chose to hearken to the voice of his wife
and LOOK what came outta all of that .
GOD has chosen , HE has predetermined Exactly HOW to save the world .
ITS JESUS THE CHRIST
and by the preaching of the gospel HAS ALL MIGHTY GOD HIMSELF chosen to save those who do BELEIVE .
That is just as TRUE today as it was back then .
The one lovely thing about THE TRUTH is , IT DO NOT CHANGE it remains ABSOLUTE for ALL TIME .
It cannot deny A WORD OF GOD , IT IS THE WORD OF GOD and that WORD did become flesh
and The words of GOD are AS TRUE TODAY as they ever were .
Decisions , decisions ,
TIME for this people to CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye shall beleive
will it be men who sound loving and caring and YET DENY JESUS , DENY TRUTH
or will it be THE TRUTH ITSELF , GOD HIMSELF , CHRIST HIMSELF and THUS HIS WORDS .
Tick tock , TIMES running out and what i say to one i must say again to all
MANY will wail on the Great and mighty DAY OF THE LORD
as they realized too little too late , OH MY GOODNESS i followed a vending machine jesus that served my sins .
AND THAT WAS NOT JESUS they loved or served or KNEW and it wont be able to save them .
BUT JESUS CAN SAVE .
 

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Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?"
- John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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Let me answer that by correcting your question
to read as this .
ABSOLUTE TRUTH DO WE KNOW WHO HE IS , WHO HIS SON IS , Do we hear and beleieve HIS WORDS
or do we beleive men who twisted such words
and though they claimed to hold the keys , THEY NEVER ONCE ENTERED INTO THE KINGDOM
and hindered any and all who did sit under them and trust in them FROM DOING SO .
ITS NOT do we know what IT IS
ITS DO WE KNOW WHO HE IS , WHO HIS SON IS
can we hear HIS VOICE
or do we hear anothers voice who has come to twist and to omit Even HIS OWN words
to fit lies of men who do nothing but decieve this people and LORD Over them with fancy titles
and have men worship angels and pray to saints and mary and who knows what else .
 

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I personally think truth is what is understood from God's living word, or revelation. It's checks all of the boxes for our human verification process. It is experiential, it is evidential, it has supporting facts. It is not just subjective, but also objective, even if it doesn't fit within the requirements of physical science or human control.

So "truth" necessarily transcends the created world, being a transmission from the transcendent God to created beings, or Man. It is interesting how another branch of understanding, evidential apologetics, we run into this hard boundary of our own finite limitations.

We find evidence, but is that enough? Many things we believe are true has evidence that 99% points towards a certain crime has been committed by such a person, but what about the 1% possibilitity we're wrong and execute or punish the wrong man?

I'm fascinated by the science exploring whether it can be proved that God created the universe. They've developed the philosophy that claims strong evidence for Intelligent Design. Again, we run up against a hard wall that prevents us from viewing this design as the product of a Creator or something built into the universe itself.

So, I think there has to be a real connection between the transcendent God and created Man, whether we recognize it or not. We may indeed be faulty, having been born in a Sinful Condition, and cannot trust out own minds. But what truth we get may indeed be based on God's connection to our minds via His revelation, or word.
 
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I personally think truth is what is understood from God's living word, or revelation. It's checks all of the boxes for our human verification process. It is experiential, it is evidential, it has supporting facts. It is not just subjective, but also objective, even if it doesn't fit within the requirements of physical science or human control.

So "truth" necessarily transcends the created world, being a transmission from the transcendent God to created beings, or Man. It is interesting how another branch of understanding, evidential apologetics, we run into this hard boundary of our own finite limitations.

We find evidence, but is that enough? Many things we believe are true has evidence that 99% points towards a certain crime has been committed by such a person, but what about the 1% possibilitity we're wrong and execute or punish the wrong man?

I'm fascinated by the science exploring whether it can be proved that God created the universe. They've developed the philosophy that claims strong evidence for Intelligent Design. Again, we run up against a hard wall that prevents us from viewing this design as the product of a Creator or something built into the universe itself.

So, I think there has to be a real connection between the transcendent God and created Man, whether we recognize it or not. We may indeed be faulty, having been born in a Sinful Condition, and cannot trust out own minds. But what truth we get may indeed be based on God's connection to our minds via His revelation, or word.
Oh there is a very real connection between the Transcendent GOD and created man .
But many hear not His voice for they are not his sheep .
HIS NAME BE JESUS THE CHRIST .
men can speculate on how it was all created
and even have enough wisdom perhaps to beleive A GOD did create it
and yet they simply DO NOT know the WAY to THIS GOD . but the sheep sure do .
And they hear his voice and love His words and do not do as the many
who twist and omit such lovely words OF HIS INSPIRED TRUTH in that bible .
There is a knoweldge given unto man that shows enough evidence that there is A GOD
but man worships HIM not AS HE DESIRED . IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH . I am THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
and yet many reject HIM and follow budda , muahmmed or some other jesus created of men within christendom
and that voice , that entity , oh it cannot save , it has come to KEEP MEN IN BONDAGE , TO KEEP THEM IN DEATH
and has promised them a lie that offers them salvation on a very very broad inclusive road .
OH but BROAD is the ROAD that leads to DESTRUCTION . May that reminder encourage us all .
 

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You seem to understand.
Many Christians claim that we have absolute truth. But we don't. We couldn't handle it.

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