What Is Truth? – The Trial Before Pilate

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Behold

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How do you not count Jewish Marxism?

Religion is "what you believe in".....that appeals to you on a religious or spiritual level.

So, Marxism, is a cult theology, that appeals to perhaps a billion people who are under its influence.
Karl Marx, was initially trying to be Christian Minister......but, he was never born again, and just wanted to try to deceive people.
Later, He did......
He was a monster...
He was so obsessed with His "world reveloution" theology that his children starved, and some died.
= A Terrible Human being, and Marxism is a Religious Political Dictatorship..........that was refined by Stalin and exported worldwide, including right now.

And if I'm not mistaken, America is a predominantly Protestant nation. You know America right, that country who dropped not one but two nukes on the two largest christian populations in Asia, and led the firebombing of Dresden after the war was already over.

Some of the Russians i talk with , have a very dim view of THE USA, as they are taught to have.......same as Americans are taught to Hate Russia.
This Media mind game has been informing and commanding both populations for many many years.

In both Cases........ Both Countries, like all other countries, are at the mercy of their Leadership.
So, We can't Blame Russians, for the 30-90 Million Russians that Stalin butchered, exactly as we can't blame Americans when their Leaders droped NUKES on sleeping Japanese Citizens.. , in the 40's.

Did any American get to vote for or against "Abortion rights", or "Fund Zelensky's War with Russia'.?

Nope.

Even right now........ Americans Voted a Mandate, that was Trump's Victory, and one part of that is....>>"stop giving MONEY and ARMS to ZELENSKY">.
And im not certain that this has happened yet, and Trump is into 100+ days of His Presidency.
Hopefully He has cut it all off, but, i caught a FOX News update yesterday, 6-1-25... and it was suggesting that the weapons and similar are still flowing from the USA to Zelensky.
What is that? That is an undisclosed war between the USA and Russia, under the guise of "helping the Ukraine".
Putin understands this War, and Americans do not because they just dont know what is happening to their Country.
So...If Trump's "mineral deal with Zelensky"... is......>>"We'll keep Fighting Russia for you with our Arms and Money"........then He made a mistake, as His entire Cabinet is Anti-Zelensky War Effort.., and so are his Voters.
 

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Take my word for it.....

"God's Thoughts" [...] are found [...] in the Holy Bible.

This is why the Bible is called "the word of God".

That's hint for you, @Origen.

You, like God, are a living being. Are all your thoughts and words confined between the covers of a book?
 

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You, like God, are a living being. Are all your thoughts and words confined between the covers of a book?

I didnt create "the word of God".

The Holy Spirit did

See the words in the Holy bible are "Spirit and Truth" they are "Light for life"......they are "apples of gold in pictures of silver".. they are ... where JESUS is found, and where The Gospel is found........and on and on.

Why do you know about Heaven and Hell, and Salvation, and God's Love, and Christ on the Cross, and MARY?
Becasue the BIBLE told you about it.
 

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You tell me. Lol. Jesus may have pointed to himself in this instance. Amazingly he admitted. My kingdom is not of this place, but heavenly?
Jesus did not merely “admit” something vague, and He was not speaking in riddles. He gave a clear and powerful answer rooted in eternal truth. When Pilate asked Him about being a king, Jesus said, “Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice” (John 18:37). Jesus was not pointing to some abstract concept or general spirituality. He was declaring that He is the truth (John 14:6), and the reason He came into the world was to testify to it. When He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36), He meant that His rule is not established by earthly weapons or politics, but by divine authority. He reigns now in the hearts of those who believe, and one day He will return to reign visibly. The truth is not subjective. It is not open for speculation or laughter. Jesus is the truth, and those who reject Him reject the only truth that saves.
 

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Only if i write an auto-biography.

That's not an answer to my question, but you already know that. Try again: are all of your thoughts and words of the past, present, and future confined between the covers of a book? Yes or no?
 

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That's not an answer to my question, but you already know that. Try again.

Listen up..........as you need to "try again" regarding trying to understand your own question.

Let me help.

Your question was........"whose thoughts and words, are confined between the covers of a book"..

So, if i write an autobiography....then my thoughts and words, are confined there.

Now, had you asked....>>"Are ALL your Thoughts.......forever......confined in the Book"...then i would say......no, not all.
 

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Listen up..........as you need to "try again" regarding trying to understand your own question.

Let me help.

Your question was........"whose thoughts and words, are confined between the covers of a book"..

So, if i write an autobiography....then my thoughts and words, are confined there.

Now, had you asked....>>"Are ALL your Thoughts.......forever......confined in the Book"...then i would say......no, not all.

No, I asked, "You, like God, are a living being. Are all your thoughts and words confined between the covers of a book?" All of one's thoughts and words aren't even included in an autobiography, hence why I said that you need to try answering again, and then I rephrased my question to make it even easier for you to answer, and harder to twist asking, "Are all of your thoughts and words of the past, present, and future confined between the covers of a book? Yes or no?" You answered, "no." Thank you. My next question is, since all of your past, present, and future thoughts and words aren't confined between the covers of a book, would it not be the same with God?
 

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Jesus did not merely “admit” something vague, and He was not speaking in riddles. He gave a clear and powerful answer rooted in eternal truth. When Pilate asked Him about being a king, Jesus said, “Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice” (John 18:37).

I'm just talking about him using his finger to point to himself, and maybe it why it was not written as far as context. Never know. When I remember the Pilate and Jesus incident, I see it very vividly.
Jesus was not pointing to some abstract concept or general spirituality. He was declaring that He is the truth (John 14:6), and the reason He came into the world was to testify to it. When He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36), He meant that His rule is not established by earthly weapons or politics, but by divine authority. He reigns now in the hearts of those who believe, and one day He will return to reign visibly. The truth is not subjective. It is not open for speculation or laughter. Jesus is the truth, and those who reject Him reject the only truth that saves.
 

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On June 2nd, 1946, Jesus said, "Maria is My pen. Nothing more. I am the Writer. The Thought is mine. I can do what I want with it, then. And I want My Thought, translated into a Word through an impulse of Love, to go and vivify those who are dying on this earth, where the forces of Evil are so active" (N:45-50). I highly recommend reading A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on the proofs in support of Maria Valorta's writings having a supernatural origin.



On January 28th, 1947, Jesus said, "[...] it is proper to specify that the inspired writer ‘has God as the author'. God, Who reveals or illuminates mysteries or truths, as He pleases, for these instruments of His, ‘spurring and moving them with supernatural virtues, assisting them in writing in such fashion that they rightly conceive with their intelligence and faithfully seek to write and, with suitable means and infallible truth, express all of the things, and only those things, which are commanded by Him, God.' It is God Who, with a threefold action, illuminates the intellect so that it will know the truth without error, by either revelation—in the case of still unknown truths—or exact recollection, if they are truths already established, but still rather incomprehensible for human reason; it moves so that what the inspired one comes to know supernaturally will be written faithfully; it assists and directs so that the truths will be stated in the form and number which God wills, with veracity and clarity, so that they will be known to others for the good of many, with the very words of God in the direct teachings or with the words of those inspired when they describe visions or repeat supernatural lessons.

The Work which is given to men through little John [Maria Valtorta's nickname] is not a canonical book. But it remains an inspired book which I am giving to help you understand certain passages in the canonical ones and especially to comprehend what My time as Master was like and know Me—I, the Word, in My words.

[...] I nor he [little John] say that the Work is a canonical book. In all truth, though, I tell you that it is an inspired book [...]" (N:45-50)
So how do you decide that Maria Valtorta's work is true, and inspired by God Himself? As I said before, there have been many people down the centuries who have claimed to be "filling in the gaps" in Scripture. An example is the so-called "Infancy Gospels", purporting to provide us with details of the early life of Jesus. The bible is God's word; I'll stick with that.
 

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You, like God, are a living being. Are all your thoughts and words confined between the covers of a book?
But Behold did not claim that all of God's thoughts and words are in the bible, but that (as I understand it) all the thoughts and words He wished to communicate to mankind are.
 
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So how do you decide that Maria Valtorta's work is true, and inspired by God Himself? As I said before, there have been many people down the centuries who have claimed to be "filling in the gaps" in Scripture. An example is the so-called "Infancy Gospels", purporting to provide us with details of the early life of Jesus. The bible is God's word; I'll stick with that.

I'm not suggesting that people should stop reading Scripture, but rather trying to help Christians see that our God is a living, loving, and interactive Being, Whose thoughts, words, and love aren't confined between the covers of any one book, just as ours aren't, and we are lesser beings.

Jesus taught how to distinguish between the true and false spokespersons of His, did He not? He will make known who His true spokespersons are, just as He's always done, and as He did with Maria Valtorta. The proofs in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin can be found in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work.

But Behold did not claim that all of God's thoughts and words are in the bible, but that (as I understand it) all the thoughts and words He wished to communicate to mankind are.

I never said that Behold claimed that. And, it's not written in Scripture that all the words God wishes to communicate to humankind are in The Bible.

On February 3rd, 1944, Jesus said, “Do you know, Mary [Maria Valtorta], what you are doing? Or rather, what I am doing, in showing you the Gospel? Making a stronger attempt to bring men to Me. You yearned for it with your fervent prayers. I will no longer confine Myself to words. They tire men and detach them. It is a fault, but it is so. I will have recourse to visions, also of My Gospel, and I will explain them to make them more attractive and clear. I give you the comfort of seeing them. I give everybody the possibility of wishing to know Me. And if it is of no avail, and like cruel children they should throw away the gift without understanding its value, you will be left with My present, and they with My indignation. I shall be able once again to repeat the old reproach: "We played for you and you would not dance; we sang dirges and you would not weep." But it does not matter. Let them, the inconvertible ones, heap burning coals on their heads and let us turn to the little sheep seeking to become acquainted with their Shepherd. It is I, and you are the staff leading them to Me. (PV1)

On April 28th, 1947, Jesus said, "The [seven] reasons that have induced Me to enlighten and dictate episodes and words of Mine to little John [Maria Valtorta’s nickname] are, in addition to the joy of communicating an exact knowledge of Me to this loving victim-soul, manifold. But the moving spirit of all of them is My love for the Church, both teaching and militant, and My desire to help souls in their ascent towards perfection. The knowledge of Me helps to ascend. My Word is Life.

[...] Further: if you object that the revelation was closed with the last Apostle, and there was nothing further to add, because the same Apostle says in Revelation: "If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book" (22:18) and that can be understood for all the Revelation, the last completion of which is the Revelation by John, I reply to you that with this work no addition was made to revelation, but only the gaps, brought about by natural causes and by supernatural will, were filled in.

And if I wanted to take pleasure in restoring the picture of My Divine Charity as a restorer of mosaics does replacing the tesserae damaged or missing, reinstating the mosaic in its complete beauty, and I have decided to do it in this century in which mankind is hurling itself towards the Abyss of darkness and horror, can you forbid Me from doing so? Can you perhaps say that you do not need it, you whose spirits are dull, weak, deaf to lights, voices and invitations from Above?

You ought really to bless Me for increasing with new lights the light that you have and that is no longer sufficient for you to "see" your Savior. To see the Way, the Truth and the Life, and feel that spiritual emotion of the just of My time rise in you, attaining through this knowledge a renewal of your spirits in love, that would be your salvation, because it is an ascent towards perfection. I do not say you are "dead", but sleeping, drowsy. Like plants during their winter sleep. The divine Sun gives you its refulgence. Awake and bless the Sun that gives you itself, receive it with joy that It may warm you, from the surface to deep inside you, it may rouse you and cover you with flowers and fruits.

Rise. Come to My Gift”. (PV5)

On May 8th, 1948, Jesus said, "The canonical Gospel is essential for believing and for saving oneself; but it is not a complete knowledge of Me." (LN)

On February 22nd, 1949, Jesus said, "I was already sufficiently described in the Gospels, the minimum necessary for the salvation of hearts." (LN)
 

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I'm just talking about him using his finger to point to himself, and maybe it why it was not written as far as context. Never know. When I remember the Pilate and Jesus incident, I see it very vividly.
Thanks for clarifying. I may have misunderstood your point earlier. If so, I apologize. I now see you were just visualizing the moment with Pilate in a vivid way, not arguing against the text. I appreciate your perspective.
 

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You have clearly never read the book
Watchman Nee mixes Scripture with mysticism, subjective spiritual experiences, and extra-biblical ideas. His teachings often go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6) and introduce concepts about the soul, spirit, and inner man that are not supported by clear, contextual Bible teaching. He leans heavily on a tripartite division of man (body, soul, spirit) and builds entire doctrines from vague verses or speculative interpretations, which leads to confusion rather than clarity.

For example, his ideas about "soulish Christians" and overly mystical spiritual levels are not found in the Bible. He also teaches a kind of inner light revelation that can override clear Scripture. That opens the door to deception.

I don’t need to read the entire book to recognize when something teaches beyond what is written. The Bible commands us not to go “beyond that which is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6), and we're told to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and reject anything that does not align with sound doctrine (Titus 1:9). I’ve seen enough from The Spiritual Man to know it mixes truth with speculation, mysticism, and ideas that are not taught in Scripture. That’s all it takes to reject it. I follow the Word of God, not the opinions of men, no matter how popular or spiritual they sound (Colossians 2:8). If it doesn't hold up to the Bible, it’s not worth defending.
 

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Watchman Nee mixes Scripture with mysticism, subjective spiritual experiences, and extra-biblical ideas. His teachings often go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6) and introduce concepts about the soul, spirit, and inner man that are not supported by clear, contextual Bible teaching. He leans heavily on a tripartite division of man (body, soul, spirit) and builds entire doctrines from vague verses or speculative interpretations, which leads to confusion rather than clarity.

For example, his ideas about "soulish Christians" and overly mystical spiritual levels are not found in the Bible. He also teaches a kind of inner light revelation that can override clear Scripture. That opens the door to deception.

I don’t need to read the entire book to recognize when something teaches beyond what is written. The Bible commands us not to go “beyond that which is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6), and we're told to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and reject anything that does not align with sound doctrine (Titus 1:9). I’ve seen enough from The Spiritual Man to know it mixes truth with speculation, mysticism, and ideas that are not taught in Scripture. That’s all it takes to reject it. I follow the Word of God, not the opinions of men, no matter how popular or spiritual they sound (Colossians 2:8). If it doesn't hold up to the Bible, it’s not worth defending.


As I said, you clearly have never read Watchman Nee. Your cut and paste job is nothing more than baseless accusations.
Watchman Nee, who spent the last 20 years of his life in a Chinese prison for his faithfulness to Christ, probably accomplished more for Christ on his worst day, than you or I have in our entire lives.

You may not care for his terminology, but if a genuine spirit filled Christian were to read the section on "soulish" (which is simply Nee's word for "carnal")Christians, to which you refer, they could not help but be convicted, perhaps even transformed.

As a matter of fact, when time allows, I will post that entire section here in the forum, it should be read by everyone who professes to know God.

Have you ever read the Puritan authors, the Reformers? I have, they say some pretty odd things themselves from time to time, as do the church Fathers. And yet, these men clearly knew and walked with God, despite their imperfections.

Nee was and is a man of God, he is rejoicing in heaven at this moment. And I'm sure that if he got anything wrong while down here, the Lord straightened him out up there.

I've been praying for the last two years that God would make me a servant and not a judge, you should try it sometime. Who are you to judge? Oh that's right, your interpretation of scripture is the true and correct one. Just like practically everyone else on this ridiculous so called christian forum.

None of us, especially me, are the soul arbiters of truth. I don't mind the disagreements, or the debate. But people don't debate or discuss around here, they argue, maliciously with harsh pronouncements and criticisms, up to and including accusations that those who disagree with them aren't even believers.

Its reprehensible, its demonic, and it grieves the Spirit of Christ.

"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Paul said this by the way, it did not originate with Brother Nee.
 
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