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If Christ-like is defined as Christ living through you; then wouldn't Adam-like
be defined as Adam living through you?

†. Gen 5:3 . . Adam produced a son in his own likeness

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If Christ-like is defined as Christ living through you; then wouldn't Adam-like
be defined as Adam living through you?

†. Gen 5:3 . . Adam produced a son in his own likeness

Cliff
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Lol, of course not. Since the term or phrase or idea of "Christ-like" is unscriptural.
But it is true, that Christ produces Sons of His own self in His own image, only because it is HIS Spirit in us that is Christ in us. Big difference :)

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it is HIS Spirit in us that is Christ in us.

Adam's progeny don't have Adam's spirit in them?

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[Axehead]

Actually, it would be Satan-like (who is a spirit) or Christ-like. We were created receptive creatures that look outside ourselves to derive our character. We either have the spirit of disobedience (Satan) or the Spirit of God. There is no in between, no neutral according to God's Word. There is also not a 3rd choice.


Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I have searched the Bible and I don't see a 3rd choice. Also, we bear fruit from either the Spirit of Christ or the spirit of Satan who is working in the children of disobedience.

Contrast the "disobedient children" with the OBEDIENT Children.
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts (when you were a child of disobedience) in your ignorance:

Here is the fruit produced by the Satanic flesh nature and the Spirit of Christ.



THE FLESH NATURE OF SATAN

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Adam's progeny don't have Adam's spirit in them?

Cliff
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No, of course not lol. Each of us is spirit of our own breath. "Man, whose spirit (breath) is in his nostrils." Isa 2:22

 

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There is no in between, no neutral according to God's Word. There is also
not a 3rd choice.

Adam's spirit isn't in his progeny by choice: his spirit is in them by birth.

The word "spirit" is ambiguous. It can indicate an invisible being, and/or it
can indicate the innermost center of a conscious life; for example:

†. Mtt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

†. Acts 17:16 . . Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was
provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols.

†. Rom 1:9 . . For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit

Below is a verse that juxtaposes the human soul with the human spirit.

†. Luke 1:46-47 . . And Mary said: my soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit
rejoices in God my Savior

Below is a verse that juxtaposes God's Spirit with the human spirit.

†. Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are
children of God.

If Adam's spirit were ever to stop transferring to his progeny, they'd all be
still-born.

†. Jas 2:26 . .The body without the spirit is dead

No, of course not lol. Each of us is spirit of our own breath.

According to the Bible; every human being on earth descends from Adam; even
Christ. If you don't have Adam's spirit within you, then he is not your father; and
you are an alien life from another world because Adam's world produces but one
family of human life: his own.

Cliff
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Adam's spirit isn't in his progeny by choice: his spirit is in them by birth.

The word "spirit" is ambiguous. It can indicate an invisible being, and/or it
can indicate the innermost center of a conscious life; for example:

†. Mtt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

†. Acts 17:16 . . Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was
provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols.

†. Rom 1:9 . . For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit

Below is a verse that juxtaposes the human soul with the human spirit.

†. Luke 1:46-47 . . And Mary said: my soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit
rejoices in God my Savior

Below is a verse that juxtaposes God's Spirit with the human spirit.

†. Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are
children of God.

If Adam's spirit were ever to stop transferring to his progeny, they'd all be
still-born.

†. Jas 2:26 . .The body without the spirit is dead




According to the Bible; every human being on earth descends from Adam; even
Christ. If you don't have Adam's spirit within you, then he is not your father; and
you are an alien life from another world because Adam's world produces but one
family of human life: his own.

Cliff
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Lol, not hardly. Nothing like your ideas is found in the Bible. None of your references support your 'new' teaching either. I've never had Adam's "spirit" in me. I've inherited his tendency to sin in my flesh that is true. But even that is now all but destroyed by the One Spirit of the Living Chist in me. THAT is scriptural as well as experiential. But nothing about Adam's 'spirit' being in me or others. That is a false doctrine with no Bible basis.

 

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The matter still is... the temptation by that old serpent (Satan) in God's Garden, i.e., the false idea that we can become our own god.

Many brethren need to wake up to what the New Age doctrinists have been putting out against Christ's Church. One of the most documented evidences of their working 'within' the Church was by the early Church fathers who wrote much against the doctrines of Gnosticism. First and second century Gnosticism originated from Neo-Platonism and the old pagan philosophies of ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, and Babylon. They tried to join those doctrines with Christian Doctrine.

Those represent a group that claims our Lord Jesus Christ was one of 'their' initiates taught by them. That's why they use the false doctrine that the idea of The Christ as Spirit was separate from the man Jesus in flesh. By that they mean Jesus was just a man who simply 'attuned' to The Christ Spirit to become 'a Christ'. And you can do it too! That's what's behind their terms of 'Christ-like', 'Christ Consciousness', etc.

So when you have accepted their false idea that you can become 'like Christ', or your own 'Christ', then they have succeeded in tricking you, for there is only One Christ, and He is The Saviour Who ALL of us must go through to have eternal Life.

 

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I've never had Adam's "spirit" in me.

Adam's spirit was manufactured on the sixth day of creation in the book of
Genesis; after which God ceased creating stuff for the current cosmos.
Obviously then; Adam's spirit was meant to be transferred from one
generation to the next in order to perpetuate the race; viz: Adam transferred
his spirit to Eve, who in turn transferred it to Seth, etc, etc, etc, until it got
to your mother; who then transferred Adam's spirit to you; and that's how
you became a living soul in the current cosmos.

Cliff
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I think what Cliff is referencing by 'Adam's spirit" is the basic sin nature that we all have passed down through the male genes. We don't get "rid" of it but we can overcome it and become it's master instead of it mastering us as we grow in Christ. We won't be free of that nature until we receive our glorified bodies.

 

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I think what Cliff is referencing by 'Adam's spirit" is the basic sin nature

I've been defending the origin of human nature and the means by which Adam's
biological progeny all end up with it.

we all have passed down through the male genes.

The so-called "male genes" are in women too since Eve was constructed with
organic tissues amputated from Adam's body.

Cliff
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[Trekson]

Cliff, Your words: The so-called "male genes" are in women too since Eve was constructed with
organic tissues amputated from Adam's body.

This isn't true because God used a virgin, human woman to be the channel for His Son, Jesus. God did the conception because the basic sin nature is passed on through the males. Apparently that may change once the woman is no longer a virgin, but I'm not sure about that.

 

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God used a virgin, human woman to be the channel for His Son, Jesus.

The Lord's mom wasn't a special creation. Her lineage is recorded in the
gospel of Luke and goes all the way back to Adam; ergo: Joseph's wife was
the product of normal human reproductive processes and therefore carried
Eve's genes in her body, which were genes that Eve got when she was
constructed with male human tissue that God amputated from Adam. So
then the child of a woman-- any woman, virgin or otherwise --is just as
much the child of Adam as the child of a man.

FAQ: if Jesus was truly Adam's progeny, then wouldn't he have inherited
Adam's human nature right along with the rest of his true progeny?

Yes.

FAQ: but shouldn't the lamb of God be sinless?

Yes.

FAQ: can you explain how it's possible for a human being born with Adam's
human nature to be tempted in all points as we are and yet still be without
sin? (Heb 4:15)

The answer to that paradox is so simple that it easily qualifies as an
elephant in the middle of the room. Christ was born of both Man and God.
The God side of his birth is stronger than the human side of his birth, and
enabled Jesus to be maxed out with, and totally controlled by, the purity of God.

†. John 3:34 . . God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

†. Col 1:19 . . For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in him

It was essential that Christ be born not only of Man but also of God in order
to keep his human nature in check and prevent it from leading Jesus into sin
and thus disqualifying him from the role of the lamb of God that takes away
the sin of the world. Left to himself, I've no doubt Christ would have
eventually done something wrong; but with all the fullness of God on board,
without measure or limit, and in total control; he couldn't.

†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Lest someone complain that Jesus had an unfair advantage; let me be quick
to point out that it was extremely crucial that Christ not be left to himself to
maintain a sinless life if he was to be the lamb of God that takes away the
sin of the world. Too much was riding on that issue to leave it up to a man
born with human nature to hold the line on his own.

Cliff
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