After the order of Melchizedek:

[DPMartin]

Didn't you get a fuzzy feeling in your stomach telling you to look further when you left out the following verses that go with those Hebrews 7:1-12 verses?

Heb 7:13-14
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

Those verses are proof that the previous Heb.7:1-12 verses was speaking of our Lord Jesus. Thus according to Hebrews 7, Jesus is Melchisedec that met Abraham and blessed him (see also Genesis 18 & 19).

you can't be that dense:


Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

after the similitude and order of doesn't say Christ.

Paul continues to explain to the Israelites that are familiar with the priesthood given to Aaron and sons is not the same priesthood, or (Heb 7:11) "and not be called after the order of Aaron", fulfilled by Jesus Christ of which that priesthood that Jesus fulfilled is again like the bible says after the similitude and order of Melchisedec. as the bible says, what the bible says, and not your opinion of what you seem to want it to mean.

Jesus is to take the Throne of David, are you saying David is Jesus?


so back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

 

[Taken]

in context Paul speaks of Melchisedec as a shadow of things to come that Jesus fulfills amongst many other things He fulfills. so in context Paul isn't saying Melchisedec is the Christ.

Paul doesn't NEED to identify Melchisedec as the Christ IN Hebrews. <--- THAT would be point blank Paul giving Understanding.

That is Gods position to give His Understanding.

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

also your logic says that King David was the Christ

Don't put YOUR logic, YOUR words ON ME.
I said no such stupid thing.

also because King David maintained the Throne in Israel that the Lord is to sit on.

First of all GOD established an everylasting throne IN Jerusalem.
Secondly GOD appointed David king, to sit on the throne God established.
Thirdly David did not MAINTAIN "that" throne; God does.
Fouthly to satisfy Jewish Law, the next person to Lawfully sit on "that" throne MUST be a Jew.
Fifthly LONG before Jesus APPEARED "as a JEWISH man", it was Already decided, Jesus would be OF the Hebrew clan OF a faithful Hebrew father, and descending from "that" father, who is Abraham, is the faithful tribe of Judah, FROM which.....it was already decided and revealed.....WOULD BE the earthly genealogy line, JESUS WOULD TAKE UPON HIMSELF.
The everlasting throne established BY GOD, was the Preparation made for the throne for the Lord Jesus the Christ's Kingdom on earth.

you are way out there, and way off base, maybe you should wear aluminum foil so people know who you are.

You have shown nothing different.
You simply make accusations.
Then you make some stupid remark as if it makes your accusations have some creditability.

Where did you get your understanding from, your logical mind; likely since you brought up logic. Who cares what you logically conclude in your mind? I don't.
That is NOT HOW Scripture teaches to UNDERSTAND Scripture.

so back to the subject at hand:

But of course. Why not stick to the point to begin with....get the jabs and slams in first!!

[QOTE]Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?[/QUOTE]

The Gospel is the good news.
The good news, was brought among men BY Jesus.
The Religion OF the men Jesus came to TELL His good news, was men of the Jewish Religion.
The Doctrine of Jesus, IS His Parables.
A follower of Jesus, of Jesus' Good news & Doctrines was called a Christian, still is.
Anyone following those things IS a Christian.
A saved and born again Christian is entirely different. <-- THAT is a man who HAS become forgiven and converted, BY the Lord Himself.
Appointed Priests was established BY GOD.
....First to Arron's clan.
David, was appointed king, by God.
During David's reign; Priest Abiatar, Priest Eleazar were mentioned; and they are direct descendants of Arron.

....Later God established the Priesthood to the Levite's Tribe.

....Later men appointed their Priests from different tribes.

There shall be TWO others, who will CLAIM Gods throne (anti-Christ/false prophet), but their effects will be dashed.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Davy]

you can't be that dense:
....

It's clear that I'm not the one here that is "dense". I can actually read and comprehend English grammar, but you cannot.

The Hebrews 7:12-13 verses prove that the author of that chapter was speaking those things about Jesus. And that's likely why you left out those 12 & 13 verses, on purpose!

The other way that proves you are "dense", is how you have yet to figure out that the priesthood after the order of Melchisedec is an EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD, and if... it involved any other than Jesus Christ, then it would mean Jesus is NOT The Christ!

But maybe, just maybe, that's the false lie you WANT to spread here, i.e., the lie that there can be another LIKE Jesus, which of course would mean you don't believe Jesus is God.

So do you? DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS OF NAZARETH IS GOD???

 

[DPMartin]

Paul doesn't NEED to identify Melchisedec as the Christ IN Hebrews. <--- THAT would be point blank Paul giving Understanding.

That is Gods position to give His Understanding.





Don't put YOUR logic, YOUR words ON ME.
I said no such stupid thing.



First of all GOD established an everylasting throne IN Jerusalem.
Secondly GOD appointed David king, to sit on the throne God established.
Thirdly David did not MAINTAIN "that" throne; God does.
Fouthly to satisfy Jewish Law, the next person to Lawfully sit on "that" throne MUST be a Jew.
Fifthly LONG before Jesus APPEARED "as a JEWISH man", it was Already decided, Jesus would be OF the Hebrew clan OF a faithful Hebrew father, and descending from "that" father, who is Abraham, is the faithful tribe of Judah, FROM which.....it was already decided and revealed.....WOULD BE the earthly genealogy line, JESUS WOULD TAKE UPON HIMSELF.
The everlasting throne established BY GOD, was the Preparation made for the throne for the Lord Jesus the Christ's Kingdom on earth.



You have shown nothing different.
You simply make accusations.
Then you make some stupid remark as if it makes your accusations have some creditability.

Where did you get your understanding from, your logical mind; likely since you brought up logic. Who cares what you logically conclude in your mind? I don't.
That is NOT HOW Scripture teaches to UNDERSTAND Scripture.



But of course. Why not stick to the point to begin with....get the jabs and slams in first!!

[QOTE]Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

The Gospel is the good news.
The good news, was brought among men BY Jesus.
The Religion OF the men Jesus came to TELL His good news, was men of the Jewish Religion.
The Doctrine of Jesus, IS His Parables.
A follower of Jesus, of Jesus' Good news & Doctrines was called a Christian, still is.
Anyone following those things IS a Christian.
A saved and born again Christian is entirely different. <-- THAT is a man who HAS become forgiven and converted, BY the Lord Himself.
Appointed Priests was established BY GOD.
....First to Arron's clan.
David, was appointed king, by God.
During David's reign; Priest Abiatar, Priest Eleazar were mentioned; and they are direct descendants of Arron.

....Later God established the Priesthood to the Levite's Tribe.

....Later men appointed their Priests from different tribes.

There shall be TWO others, who will CLAIM Gods throne (anti-Christ/false prophet), but their effects will be dashed.

God Bless,
Taken[/QUOTE]

yes yes I will put words of logic on you look out taken here it comes are you feeling it now, I'm to put words of logic on you.

your really are wearing that aluminum I mention aren't you?

back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

 

[DPMartin]

It's clear that I'm not the one here that is "dense". I can actually read and comprehend English grammar, but you cannot.

The Hebrews 7:12-13 verses prove that the author of that chapter was speaking those things about Jesus. And that's likely why you left out those 12 & 13 verses, on purpose!

The other way that proves you are "dense", is how you have yet to figure out that the priesthood after the order of Melchisedec is an EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD, and if... it involved any other than Jesus Christ, then it would mean Jesus is NOT The Christ!

But maybe, just maybe, that's the false lie you WANT to spread here, i.e., the lie that there can be another LIKE Jesus, which of course would mean you don't believe Jesus is God.

So do you? DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS OF NAZARETH IS GOD???

back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

 

[Taken]

The Gospel is the good news.
The good news, was brought among men BY Jesus.
The Religion OF the men Jesus came to TELL His good news, was men of the Jewish Religion.
The Doctrine of Jesus, IS His Parables.
A follower of Jesus, of Jesus' Good news & Doctrines was called a Christian, still is.
Anyone following those things IS a Christian.
A saved and born again Christian is entirely different. <-- THAT is a man who HAS become forgiven and converted, BY the Lord Himself.
Appointed Priests was established BY GOD.
....First to Arron's clan.
David, was appointed king, by God.
During David's reign; Priest Abiatar, Priest Eleazar were mentioned; and they are direct descendants of Arron.

....Later God established the Priesthood to the Levite's Tribe.

....Later men appointed their Priests from different tribes.

There shall be TWO others, who will CLAIM Gods throne (anti-Christ/false prophet), but their effects will be dashed.

God Bless,
Taken

yes yes I will put words of logic on you look out taken here it comes are you feeling it now, I'm to put words of logic on you.

Not interested in your carnal minds logical thoughts.
Scripture is truth, requires no carnal input.
Understating is from God, requires no carnal input.
You can ether trust it or not. Period.

Rom 8:7
The carnal mind is enmity AGAINST God.

your really are wearing that aluminum I mention aren't you?

Your thought, your words, you own it.

back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

We're done here.

 

[DPMartin]

Not interested in your carnal minds logical thoughts.
Scripture is truth, requires no carnal input.
Understating is from God, requires no carnal input.
You can ether trust it or not. Period.

Rom 8:7
The carnal mind is enmity AGAINST God.



Your thought, your words, you own it.



We're done here.

are you sure your done here? because I'm going for the last word here it goes:

back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

 

[Davy]

back to the subject at hand:
Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen?

Since you did not answer my question, I must assume you do NOT... believe that Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ and thus also that Jesus is not God.

Per Apostle John, those who deny that God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ is an antichrist:

1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
KJV

2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV

Even Christ's enemies well know that Jesus of Nazareth came in the flesh, so that's not John's point. It's the point that CHRIST came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth, which means God came in the flesh. This is why one of Jesus' titles in Isaiah is "Immanuel" which means 'God with us'. That is what the antichrists deny.

Likewise with what Hebrews 7 teaches Who Melchesidec was, it can only be Jesus Christ, so likewise the antichrists deny that also, since they only want to think that Jesus of Nazareth was just a man, and not God come in the flesh. So they have to apply the traits of Hebrews 7:1-7 also to a flesh man, and not God, even though the Scripture points directly to the Son of God.

 

[Taken]

Since you did not answer my question, I must assume you do NOT... believe that Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ and thus also that Jesus is not God.

Per Apostle John, those who deny that God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ is an antichrist:

1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
KJV

2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV

Even Christ's enemies well know that Jesus of Nazareth came in the flesh, so that's not John's point. It's the point that CHRIST came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth, which means God came in the flesh. This is why one of Jesus' titles in Isaiah is "Immanuel" which means 'God with us'. That is what the antichrists deny.

Likewise with what Hebrews 7 teaches Who Melchesidec was, it can only be Jesus Christ, so likewise the antichrists deny that also, since they only want to think that Jesus of Nazareth was just a man, and not God come in the flesh. So they have to apply the traits of Hebrews 7:1-7 also to a flesh man, and not God, even though the Scripture points directly to the Son of God.

Amen.

It's a conundrum for the Jews.
Jesus had to come in the flesh likeness as a man, in the line of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, king David, to satisfy only a Jew could succeed being seated as King of the Jews...
Yet also had to be God, as Jesus was reveal, being the Christ, ie the Power of God.

He came to Fulfill prophecy and the law.
Most do not consider, in addition to Scriptural Law, He fulfilled mans law.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[DPMartin]

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. (Salem is considered to be what is now called Jerusalem)19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.


Note that through Moses the priesthood to the Most High God was established. Moses executing the first acts of priesthood and anointing priesthood but is was Aron and subsequent generations that received priesthood and excusing priesthood according to the law by the hand of Moses. Then telling the Children of Israel they will have a king in the future.

Time came and the Children of Israel wanted a king like other nations and the Lord their God understanding they no longer wanted Him as King, let them first have their choice for a king. After that God placed His choice for a king. These things happened within the context of Israel.

Which now is in the context of the whole of the world. (meaning human population) the priesthood is first established note that religion where ever the Gospel is ok to preach, dominates religion. So now we await the King but will there be a king before God’s chosen? like Saul and David seeing most of Israel's service has being the for-shadowing of things to come.

 

[Davy]

John 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.
KJV


Jesus met Abraham also in Genesis 18 and stood talking to Abraham while the other two men (angels) went to Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Jesus as Melchisedec offering "bread and wine" to Abraham, and blessing Abraham, are symbols of the New Covenant that Abraham would believe, and God accounted Abraham's faith as righteousness (Galatians 3).