Air India 171 pilot error, pilot suicide, fuel switches were found to have no mechanical error, which means was deliberate seems to me.

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Air India CEO: No mechanical error found in plane crash investigation​


The Air India CEO Campbell Wilson has stated that no mechanical maintenance error was found in the AI-171 crash investigation. The preliminary probe points to a fuel cut-off switch issue, with the switch moving from 'run' to 'cut-off' shortly after takeoff. The pilots' body has objected to insinuations of pilot error, stating experienced pilots undergo rigorous screening and training. They have requested to be included as observers in the ongoing investigation. The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) report does not indicate manual error or make recommendations against Air India or Boeing.
 

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Pilot mental health in the spotlight

Investigations into the Air India plane crash are looking into the pilots' medical records as it's claimed one of them had depression and mental health issues. Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, an experienced pilot with more than 8,200 hours in the cockpit, was piloting the Boeing 787 Dreamliner when it plummeted into a residential area, called Meghani Nagar, killing 241 people on board and claiming 19 more lives of those on the ground.

Seconds after taking off on June 12, two fuel switches in the cockpit of Air India Flight 171 were turned off shortly after take off, resulting in a catastrophic loss of power and the aircraft crashing to the ground . The switches' 'locking feature' meant pilots had to lift them up before changing their position, they are not simple push buttons which can be accidentally turned off. Now, investigations into the tragic crash have begun to analyse the behaviour of the pilot.

Captain Mohan Ranganathan, a leading aviation safety expert in India, has revealed that 'several' Air India pilots had allegedly confirmed that the well-experienced pilot had suffered from poor mental health. Speaking to The Daily Telegraph , he claimed: 'He had taken time off from flying in the last three to four years. He had taken medical leave for that. Captain Sabharwal is also understood to have taken bereavement leave after the death of his mother, though it is believed by Mr Ranganathan that he had been 'medically cleared' by Air India prior to the fatal crash last month.

In Powai, Mumbai, one of Captain Sabharwal's former colleagues described him as a 'thorough gentlemen' telling the publication that he believed 'he was actually considering early retirement in the next couple of years', with plans to look after his elderly father, aged 90. In his short career, co-pilot Clive Kunder, 28, had logged more than 3,400 hours.

The Telegraph said that while Air India declined to comment, an official working with their parent company, Tata Group, told the publication that Captain Sabharwal had not taken any medical leave, with the preliminary report failing to obtain any significant findings. They added that within the last two years, both pilots onboard the flight had passed the Class I medical exam, which makes an evaluation of their psycho-physical capabilities.

On Sunday, a preliminary report released by the Indian authorities led to questions about why the pilot would have manually turned the switches off - and whether it was a deliberate act or a catastrophic mistake. The report said: 'In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other: why did he cut off? The other pilot responded that he did not do so.' Pilots will turn the fuel switches on and off at the correct times in every flight, but this time the fuel was cut off straight after takeoff and the landing gear was not raised. The co-pilot was flying the aircraft at the time of takeoff while the captain was monitoring. The report added that the switches were flipped back to 'run' seconds afterwards, which started the process of relighting the engines. One of the engines had relit but had not gained power while the other was in the process of regaining power. At the crash site, but switches were found in the 'run' position.

Before the flight, both pilots had an adequate rest period and were found 'fit to operate' following a breath analyser test, the report said. There were no dangerous goods on the plane and the weight was 'within allowable limits'. Fuel samples taken from the tanks were tested and found to be 'satisfactory' and there was 'no significant bird activity' observed in and around the flight path of the aircraft. But Mr Ranganthan previously suggested it may have been deliberate.

Each lever has to be pulled upwards to be unlocked, before it can be flipped and they also have further protective guard brackets to safeguard against any bumps and nudges. Explaining that he believed it 'had to be done manually', Mr Ranganathan told NDTV of the fuel levers: 'The fuel selectors they aren't the sliding type they are always in a slot. 'They are to pull them out or move them up or down, so the question of them moving inadvertently out of off position doesn't happen. It's a case of deliberate manual selection.' He later said 'nothing else' would explain why both switches were moved into the off position just after take off, alleging: 'It had to be deliberately done.' When questioned if he was suggesting one of the pilots 'deliberately' switched off the fuel lever, while fully aware of the possibility of a crash, he answered: 'Absolutely', before asserting they were looking at a potential 'pilot-induced crash'.

But relatives of some of the victims of the crash have accused the airline and the Indian government of trying to blame the pilots for the crash. Ameen Siddiqui, 28, whose brother-in-law, Akeel Nanabawa, died alongside his wife and their four-year-old daughter said: 'This report is wrong. We don't accept it.' 'It's a cover-up to protect Air India and the government,' Mr Siddiqui told The Telegraph from Surat, south of Ahmedabad, where the plane crashed. 'They want to blame dead pilots who can't defend themselves. How can the fuel switches end up turning off at a critical moment, either through pilot error or a mechanical fault?

CCTV footage from the airport showed that the ram air turbine, known as the RAT, was deployed shortly after takeoff. The RAT acts as a backup power source during emergencies and will deploy in cases of complete power failure. The report said two minutes after takeoff, one of the pilots transmitted: 'Mayday, Mayday, Mayday'.

In December 2018 the US air regulator Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) warned airlines that fuel switches had been installed in some Boeing 737s 'with the locking feature disengaged'. 'If the locking feature is disengaged, the switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting the switch during transition, and the switch would be exposed to the potential of inadvertent operation,' the FAA warned in a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin. 'Inadvertent operation of the switch could result in an unintended consequence, such as an in-flight engine shutdown.' It recommended airlines inspect the switches, including 'whether the fuel control switch can be moved between the two positions without lifting up the switch'. The airworthiness concern was not considered an unsafe condition that would warrant a legally enforceable regulation to correct unsafe conditions. Air India has suggested such inspections were not carried out because the FAA's bulletin was 'advisory and not mandatory'.

Sole survivor Vishwash Kumar Ramesh had been in the country on a business trip with his brother Ajaykumar, 35, before they boarded the doomed flight travelling from Ahmedabad to Gatwick on Thursday. In what has been described as a miracle, Viswash - seated in 11A by the exit - survived, but his sibling who was sat on the other side of the aisle in seat 11J perished in the fireball explosion. Before the discovery of the British survivor, authorities said that they believed no one had escaped the flight alive. Eleven of those on board were children, including two newborns.

An Air India spokesperson previously said: 'Air India stands in solidarity with the families and those affected by the AI171 accident. We continue to mourn the loss and are fully committed to providing support during this difficult time. We acknowledge receipt of the preliminary report released by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) today, 12 July 2025. 'Air India is working closely with stakeholders, including regulators. We continue to fully cooperate with the AAIB and other authorities as their investigation progresses. 'Given the active nature of the investigation, we are unable to comment on specific details and refer all such enquiries to the AAIB.' Air India was contacted for comment.
 
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Pilot mental health in the spotlight

Investigations into the Air India plane crash are looking into the pilots' medical records as it's claimed one of them had depression and mental health issues. Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, an experienced pilot with more than 8,200 hours in the cockpit, was piloting the Boeing 787 Dreamliner when it plummeted into a residential area, called Meghani Nagar, killing 241 people on board and claiming 19 more lives of those on the ground.

Seconds after taking off on June 12, two fuel switches in the cockpit of Air India Flight 171 were turned off shortly after take off, resulting in a catastrophic loss of power and the aircraft crashing to the ground . The switches' 'locking feature' meant pilots had to lift them up before changing their position, they are not simple push buttons which can be accidentally turned off. Now, investigations into the tragic crash have begun to analyse the behaviour of the pilot.

Captain Mohan Ranganathan, a leading aviation safety expert in India, has revealed that 'several' Air India pilots had allegedly confirmed that the well-experienced pilot had suffered from poor mental health. Speaking to The Daily Telegraph , he claimed: 'He had taken time off from flying in the last three to four years. He had taken medical leave for that. Captain Sabharwal is also understood to have taken bereavement leave after the death of his mother, though it is believed by Mr Ranganathan that he had been 'medically cleared' by Air India prior to the fatal crash last month.

In Powai, Mumbai, one of Captain Sabharwal's former colleagues described him as a 'thorough gentlemen' telling the publication that he believed 'he was actually considering early retirement in the next couple of years', with plans to look after his elderly father, aged 90. In his short career, co-pilot Clive Kunder, 28, had logged more than 3,400 hours.

The Telegraph said that while Air India declined to comment, an official working with their parent company, Tata Group, told the publication that Captain Sabharwal had not taken any medical leave, with the preliminary report failing to obtain any significant findings. They added that within the last two years, both pilots onboard the flight had passed the Class I medical exam, which makes an evaluation of their psycho-physical capabilities.

On Sunday, a preliminary report released by the Indian authorities led to questions about why the pilot would have manually turned the switches off - and whether it was a deliberate act or a catastrophic mistake. The report said: 'In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other: why did he cut off? The other pilot responded that he did not do so.' Pilots will turn the fuel switches on and off at the correct times in every flight, but this time the fuel was cut off straight after takeoff and the landing gear was not raised. The co-pilot was flying the aircraft at the time of takeoff while the captain was monitoring. The report added that the switches were flipped back to 'run' seconds afterwards, which started the process of relighting the engines. One of the engines had relit but had not gained power while the other was in the process of regaining power. At the crash site, but switches were found in the 'run' position.

Before the flight, both pilots had an adequate rest period and were found 'fit to operate' following a breath analyser test, the report said. There were no dangerous goods on the plane and the weight was 'within allowable limits'. Fuel samples taken from the tanks were tested and found to be 'satisfactory' and there was 'no significant bird activity' observed in and around the flight path of the aircraft. But Mr Ranganthan previously suggested it may have been deliberate.
I heard the fuel switches had to be lifted up and twisted. So it appears to be suicide. It's bad enough he was suicidal but to cause the deaths of his copilot and the others....so awful.
 
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I heard the fuel switches had to be lifted up and twisted. So it appears to be suicide. It's bad enough he was suicidal but to cause the deaths of his copilot and the others....so awful.
Yet there are these selfish people. So many have suicided and killed so many.
The switches were moved by the pilot turning off the engines, with 2 engines this means 2 switches had to be turned off.
That means to me no accident.

This plane can fly with one engine broken, but not both engines off.
 
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Switches like these do not turn off by themselves.
What surprises me is the large number of seconds they were off.
Must take some very short time for an engine shut down process to complete.

So, the switches were turned off till engines were relit by turning the switches back on. And the plane was too low, not enough time for engines to develop need power to fly up into the air.

24 seconds before crash, (8 seconds after lift-off).
Ram Air Turbine (RAT) starts supplying hydraulic power to the aircraft after being deployed immediately after lift-off and engine cutoff.
And that only happens when engines are shutting down. to provide emergency hydraulics and some electric power


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Yet there are these selfish people. So many have suicided and killed so many.
The switches were moved by the pilot turning off the engines, with 2 engines this means 2 switches had to be turned off.
That means to me no accident.

This plane can fly with one engine broken, but not both engines off.
I remember this happening to a plane in europe some years ago, the pilot was suicidal so he crashed the plane into the side of a mountain. No survivors. I know people can be in a very dark place but honestly I don’t get why you would not be able to consider the others involved.
Mind you I have often thought about this with people who choose to go in front of a train, or walk out in traffic - it impacts the drivers. It’s all so very sad. This world needs prayer , people need prayer x
 

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I remember this happening to a plane in europe some years ago, the pilot was suicidal so he crashed the plane into the side of a mountain. No survivors. I know people can be in a very dark place but honestly I don’t get why you would not be able to consider the others involved.
Mind you I have often thought about this with people who choose to go in front of a train, or walk out in traffic - it impacts the drivers. It’s all so very sad. This world needs prayer , people need prayer x
A spiritual darkness in them, yes they get into a bad state of mind. They have been thinking of dying is what I think. Just planning in their mind what to do and when. The fuel switches were cut off at a critical time in the flight where there was no chance of recovery, so this was planned. If it had been done at high altitudes, there would have been time to relight the engines and recover control and if this is deliberate suicide, that means it was definitely determined to result in the best chance of dying. It is also very cowardly act to do it like this rather than shooting themselves etc...

If true, they did not care about anyone else's suffering, no empathy, the world to them is heartlessly cruel, why should any go on living which is typical suicidal thinking, it really is a very self-centered thing to do.

I can think of one thing that would help investigations, the cockpit recorder ought to also record video.

I also think in a few decades, an AI robot could be your plane captain. and likely be a better pilot.

One pilot turns off both engines, and since that is a very unexpected thing to happen, unlikely for the idea to even enter the copilot's mind about what is happening to the plane. Eventually the other pilot figured it out, turned switches back on.
 
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One pilot turns off both engines, and since that is a very unexpected thing to happen, unlikely for the idea to even enter the copilot's mind about what is happening to the plane. Eventually the other pilot figured it out, turned switches back on.
I thought on our news they said the other pilot said "why did you do that?" After that the crash happened.
 

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I thought on our news they said the other pilot said "why did you do that?" After that the crash happened.
He did, but how long did it take him to know. My opinion, a pilot in a right frame of mind, such a thing would not enter their mind immediately. As in why would anyone do such a thing. A pilot would notice a loss of altitude and power and try to goose the engines up.

Precious seconds went by, something like 10 seconds, that maybe if they had immediately restarted might have saved the plane.
 
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So often people jump to wrong conclusions based on sound bites.

This is what I posted in the tread that I had started on this topic.

That is one theory at the moment. There may have been other circumstances that could have caused the fuel to have been cut off.

And yes, I agree, the culture in the Indian sub-continent is biased by the corrupt practices that exist within that country.

The truth will come out, but we have to allow time for that to happen.

I believe that this statement is also applicable to what is being presented here.

It can take a couple of years before the understanding of the events that cause the crash will be fully understood.

It is still too early to make any assessment on what went down in the Air India plane crash.

I note that both the FAA and Boeing have commented on the Fuel Control Switches and that the FAA had approved the operational safety of these switch types.

In such a serious topic on why the plane crashed we need to be careful in what we post, even with our humour surrounding this topic.

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The younger pilot was flying, the older pilot with major mental health issues and recent death of his mother was the observer. Read the theory was the older pilot turned both switches off.


No fault found with aircraft​

The report confirmed that there were no mechanical issues, no bird strikes, and no fuel contamination.

The aircraft’s configuration for takeoff was normal, and both pilots were medically cleared and well-rested.

It also highlighted that Boeing’s fuel control switches — which require lifting and unlocking before moving — were working as designed.

Tragic profile emerges​

The growing suspicion around the crash deepens with revelations about the pilot at the helm.

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, a respected 56-year-old veteran, was reportedly just months from retirement and grieving the recent death of his mum.

Neighbours say he was planning to leave flying altogether to care for his 92-year-old father.

“Just one or two more flights… then I’m going to just be with Papa,” he reportedly told a friend.

But now, Captain Sabharwal’s mental health is under scrutiny.

Aviation sources in India told The Telegraph he had battled depression and taken time off in the years before the crash.

Though he passed a Class I medical exam in September 2024, investigators are now combing through his medical records for clues.

Leading Indian aviation expert Captain Mohan Ranganathan said: “I have heard from several Air India pilots who told me he had some depression and mental health issues. He had taken time off from flying in the last three to four years.”
 

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The captain of the crashed Air India jet likely cut off the fuel supply before it crashed in Ahmedabad, US officials believe.

The first officer, who was flying the Boeing 787-9, questioned why the captain had moved switches to the cut-off position, according to a US assessment of the black box data.


The first officer reportedly expressed surprise and panic while the captain remained calm, the Wall Street Journal reported.

All but one of 242 people on board the Boeing 787 Dreamliner were killed when the aircraft plunged into a medical student hostel in a built-up suburb last month, less than a minute after take-off from Ahmedabad airport.

It follows a preliminary report released by Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau’s (AAIB) that found that switches controlling fuel flow to the jet’s two engines were turned off, leading to a catastrophic loss of thrust at take-off.

According to the report, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why “did you cut off” the fuel supply in the recovered cockpit voice recording. The other pilot responded that he “didn’t”.

It was not previously clear who said what. However, sources in the US who have reviewed the cockpit voice recordings told the Wall Street Journal that it was the captain who was questioned about why he cut off fuel to engines.

The switches were moved in succession, one second apart, according to the report. Some 10 seconds later, the switches were turned back on. The report did not say whether the switches may have been turned off accidentally or deliberately.

Sumeet Sabharwal, the captain, and Clive Kundar, the co-pilot had more than 9,000 hours of flying time between them.

On Sunday, The Telegraph revealed that Air India crash investigators are examining the medical records of Mr Sabharwal amid claims that he suffered from depression and mental health problems.

Captain Sabharwal, 56, had been considering leaving the airline to look after his elderly father following the death of his mother in 2022.
 

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A different plane crash killed 179 in Korea
Engine damaged by a bird strike
Pilot turned off the wrong engine, shut down the good engine.
An interactive AI companion pilot could have prevented this.
The AI would know which engine to turn off, and either done it or asked the pilot and then done it.
I can see future AI slowing down the process of human induced catastrophe or halting it's progression.
People do make mistakes. They do cause widespread destruction even deliberately. Having an AI can stop some of that.

AI can also aid investigations as they will have much more data to work with.

 

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What would be more terrifying than a murder suicide is if the pilot subconsciously flipped the fuel switches off at the worst possible time.

A comforting thought as you pass big rigs on a dual highway. Or get that injection from a nurse. Or any number of things that put our lives at risk.

I'm convinced that if not for guardian angels the world would fall about in less than a day.
 

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787 can take off like a fighter jet, these planes are far more powerful that you can imagine, as long as the pilot does not turn off the engines.

video of take off and it heads almost straight up and wheels down don't matter.
 

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What would be more terrifying than a murder suicide is if the pilot subconsciously flipped the fuel switches off at the worst possible time.

A comforting thought as you pass big rigs on a dual highway. Or get that injection from a nurse. Or any number of things that put our lives at risk.

I'm convinced that if not for guardian angels the world would fall about in less than a day.
This is actually the MOST plausible theory.

The locking mechanism can be somewhat bypassed. Meaning it doesn't require the lifting and feels more like the grear shifter on the column of a pickup ....more like a slot instead of a gear on a stick shift. (Old mustangs you had to push down to access reverse otherwise you just hit 2nd gear)

Then, the senior Pilot, just idly fiddling with controls could have absent-mindedly turned off the fuel and turned it back immediately on realizing his mistake. But it was too late....the engines died and were as described.
Bad day for everyone.

The Senior pilot had his head full of all sorts of things other than flying. His dad, his mother's funeral, all sorts of home issues. His mind was likely elsewhere.

I really don't care what the pilots' family are saying....they want $$Money. And they believe if they whine and fuss and yell loud enough they will get some.
 

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This is actually the MOST plausible theory.

The locking mechanism can be somewhat bypassed. Meaning it doesn't require the lifting and feels more like the grear shifter on the column of a pickup ....more like a slot instead of a gear on a stick shift. (Old mustangs you had to push down to access reverse otherwise you just hit 2nd gear)

Then, the senior Pilot, just idly fiddling with controls could have absent-mindedly turned off the fuel and turned it back immediately on realizing his mistake. But it was too late....the engines died and were as described.
Bad day for everyone.

The Senior pilot had his head full of all sorts of things other than flying. His dad, his mother's funeral, all sorts of home issues. His mind was likely elsewhere.

I really don't care what the pilots' family are saying....they want $$Money. And they believe if they whine and fuss and yell loud enough they will get some.
It is a tricky problem because you need to be able to cut off fuel to the engine if there is a fire.

Perhaps a mechanical interlock with the idle position is needed. Not to prevent flipping it, but to change how you need to toggle it, so the routine is different than shutting off the engine after parking the plane.
 
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That switch is designed so as to not be casually turned off or on.
Even if pilot's mind is elsewhere, why did he do it?
How about, can a spiritually oppressed person do something like that?
I believe yes. Schizophrenics hear destructive voices telling them to do horrible acts, drives them crazy.
Not saying he was schizoid, but he could have been under demonic oppression and swayed to do a horrible act.

Maybe someday, an intelligent AI will be more in control, for driving, flying, etc...

Have you ever wondered in watching a movie, why people do horrible things, things that also happen in real life, wars, even throwing away their lives.
 

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Air India has found no fault with the fuel switches of its Boeing fleet, the airline said on Tuesday, adding to mounting evidence that the pilots killed in the crash were to blame.

The airline carried out inspections and found no problems with the locking mechanism of the fuel control switch of all Boeing 787 and 737 aircraft in its fleet, a spokesman said.


The captain of the crashed jet is likely to have cut off the fuel supply before the plane went down in Ahmedabad, US officials believe.

The first officer, who was flying the Boeing 787-9, questioned why the captain had moved switches to the cut-off position, according to a US assessment of the black box data. He expressed surprise and panic while the captain remained calm, the Wall Street Journal reported.

All but one of the 242 people on board the Boeing 787 Dreamliner were killed when the aircraft plunged into a medical student hostel in a suburb last month, less than a minute after take-off from Ahmedabad airport.

India’s aviation regulator ordered airlines to check fuel switches on Boeing jets after a preliminary report released by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau found that switches controlling fuel flow to the jet’s two engines were turned off, leading to a catastrophic loss of thrust at take-off.

The switches were moved in succession, one second apart, according to the report. Some 10 seconds later, they were turned back on. The report did not say whether the switches may have been turned off accidentally or deliberately.

The findings explain why the jet’s emergency power generator, known as a ram air turbine, appeared to have been activated moments before it plummeted to the ground.

While the initial report does not draw any conclusion, it has raised questions about the actions of Sumeet Sabharwal, the lead pilot, and Clive Kundar, the co-pilot, who had more than 19,000 hours of flying time between them.


In the moments before the disaster, Captain Sabharwal, 56, issued a mayday call. However, after the aircraft reached a maximum altitude of barely 400ft above the runway all contact was lost. The plane then glided towards the ground and crashed in an explosion.

The Telegraph previously revealed that Air India crash investigators were examining the medical records of Mr Sabharwal amid claims that he suffered from depression and mental health problems.


Captain Sabharwal had been considering leaving the airline to look after his elderly father following the death of his mother in 2022.

The crash was the first fatal accident involving Boeing’s Dreamliner. However, the airline had suffered reputational damage after a string of safety and quality problems.