Air India 787 plane crash . . .

[Jay Ross]

A recent article on the direction that the investigation is taking: -

Air India Crash Investigated as Sabotage Job​

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Air travel is often seen as the safest way to get around. But when a disaster happens, it leaves deep scars on everyone affected.​

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That is what families are now dealing with after a terrible crash in India that took hundreds of lives.​

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Investigators have turned their attention to something they had not confirmed before. They are looking into whether the crash was caused by sabotage, reports Ziare.​

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“One in a Billion Event”​

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Before this, some people guessed sabotage was possible. But this is the first time an official confirmed it is being taken seriously.​

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The pilot, Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, called air traffic control right after takeoff. He shouted that the plane had no power and needed help.​

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Experts say both engines failing at the same time almost never happens. They called it a “one in a billion event.”​

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Investigators are studying whether the engines stopped because of fuel contamination.​

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They have the plane’s black box, which holds voice recordings and flight data. Mohol said the black box will stay in India and not be sent abroad.​

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He also said that all Dreamliners in the country were checked and found safe. He told travelers not to be afraid to fly.​

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Vishwash Ramesh later said surviving was a miracle. But he is haunted by the loss of his brother, Ajay, who died in the crash.​

This plane crash may well have been sabotage given the hostilities between India and Pakistan.

This theory still has a long way to go yet before it can be established as the primary cause.

Let us be patient and not jump to the wrong conclusions.

 

[Lizbeth]

The Indian Sikhs are also at war with India and want to secede. A lot of them have immigrated to Canada and brought their war over here. They've infiltrated the halls of power here as well, in order to further their cause. (I don't think I've ever heard of a more stupid country than this one, it appears God has given Canada over to a spirit of utter stupor, but that's a topic for another day.)

 

[Jay Ross]

A MSM report into the crash published yesterday: -

A new report into last month’s deadly Air India crash has revealed that both engines of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner were shut down just seconds after take-off because the fuel switches were manually set to “CUTOFF”.

The preliminary findings, released by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), show the fuel switches for Engine 1 and Engine 2 were flipped from RUN to CUTOFF just one second apart, around 15 seconds after take-off. Engine performance dropped almost immediately, and within moments the plane — still under 1,000ft — began to lose height rapidly.

Of the 242 people on board, 241 were killed, making it one of the deadliest air disasters in India’s history. A single survivor managed to escape from the wreckage.

One pilot is heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking “Why’d you cut off?”, to which the other responds, “I didn’t.” A desperate “mayday” call follows. Investigators say there is no sign of any technical fault in the engines or fuel systems, and there was no indication of an onboard emergency requiring fuel cutoff.

So how — and why — were the switches turned off?

Here are the four main theories investigators are now exploring:

1. The “false-stall reflex” — checklist muscle memory gone wrong

On the 787, if both engines stall or flame out, pilots are trained to immediately cycle the fuel switches to CUTOFF, then back to RUN. This action resets the engine’s digital controls. If a false warning about a dual-engine failure appeared just after take-off, a startled pilot might instinctively begin the checklist procedure — shutting off one engine, then the other — without fully processing what was happening.

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The timing — one second between each switch — matches a single hand moving from left to right. And the confusion heard in the cockpit supports the idea this was not a deliberate act.

This scenario is consistent with similar human-factor errors that have caused fatal crashes before, including the British Midland disaster at Kegworth in 1989 and Taiwan’s TransAsia crash in 2015.

2. Cockpit miscommunication — each pilot trying to fix a different problem

If one engine had genuinely surged or failed, standard procedure would be to reduce its throttle and cycle that engine’s fuel switch. But in high-stress moments, even experienced pilots can miscommunicate. It’s possible each crew member thought they were dealing with a different engine — and both ended up shutting down power on their respective side.

The exchange on the voice recorder suggests neither pilot expected the engines to go quiet, which points to a mix-up rather than intent.

3. Electrical or software fault — switches didn’t actually move

Investigators haven’t ruled out the possibility of a technical glitch. In theory, a wiring or sensor fault could make it look like the switches were flipped to CUTOFF, even if they physically remained in the RUN position. That would explain why the pilots sound confused — from their perspective, nothing was touched.

While Boeing has dealt with similar “phantom input” issues on older aircraft, this has not previously been recorded on the 787.

4. Deliberate action — a rare but possible case of sabotage or suicide

Because fuel switches are guarded and physically latched, some experts have raised the uncomfortable possibility that they were intentionally pulled. However, this theory is undermined by several facts: a mayday call was made, the crew attempted to restart an engine, and both pilots appeared surprised on the voice recording.

This report is still preliminary.

 

[David in NJ]

A recent article on the direction that the investigation is taking: -

Air India Crash Investigated as Sabotage Job​

​

Air travel is often seen as the safest way to get around. But when a disaster happens, it leaves deep scars on everyone affected.​

​

That is what families are now dealing with after a terrible crash in India that took hundreds of lives.​

​

Investigators have turned their attention to something they had not confirmed before. They are looking into whether the crash was caused by sabotage, reports Ziare.​

​

“One in a Billion Event”​

​

Before this, some people guessed sabotage was possible. But this is the first time an official confirmed it is being taken seriously.​

​

The pilot, Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, called air traffic control right after takeoff. He shouted that the plane had no power and needed help.​

​

Experts say both engines failing at the same time almost never happens. They called it a “one in a billion event.”​

​

Investigators are studying whether the engines stopped because of fuel contamination.​

​

They have the plane’s black box, which holds voice recordings and flight data. Mohol said the black box will stay in India and not be sent abroad.​

​

He also said that all Dreamliners in the country were checked and found safe. He told travelers not to be afraid to fly.​

​

Vishwash Ramesh later said surviving was a miracle. But he is haunted by the loss of his brother, Ajay, who died in the crash.​

This plane crash may well have been sabotage given the hostilities between India and Pakistan.

This theory still has a long way to go yet before it can be established as the primary cause.

Let us be patient and not jump to the wrong conclusions.

allah akbar

 

[Jay Ross]

allah akbar

Let us be patient and not jump to the wrong conclusions.

 

[David in NJ]

Let us be patient and not jump to the wrong conclusions.

they were short on staff so they asked for volunteers

 

[Jay Ross]

they were short on staff so they asked for volunteers

You are being as bad as that big johnson boy.

Also, I did not start this thread in the funny posts forum.

 

[Jay Ross]

Report in the Guardian late yesterday, my time.

Families of the Air India crash victims have said they are hoping for more answers from investigators after a report found the plane’s fuel switches were cut off, deepening the mystery of what happened.

The preliminary report from India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, published on Friday, said both of the plane’s fuel switches moved to the cut-off position immediately after take-off, stopping fuel supply to the engines.

“In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut off. The other pilot responded that he did not do so,” the report reads.

The London-bound Boeing 787 Dreamliner crashed into a medical college shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad airport on 12 June, killing 241 people on board.

Another 19 people died on the ground and 67 were seriously injured.

The cousin of sisters Dhir and Heer Baxi, who were flying home to London after surprising their grandmother for her birthday and died in the crash, said he was not satisfied by the report.

Ishan Baxi, who lives in Ahmedabad, said: “We’re still hoping for a more transparent and honest investigation that doesn’t shy away from addressing possible mechanical flaws or lapses in protocol to avoid future potential accidents.

“I just hope the final report brings full clarity on what exactly failed and who’s accountable. It shouldn’t hide behind vague terms.

 

[David in NJ]

Report in the Guardian late yesterday, my time.

Families of the Air India crash victims have said they are hoping for more answers from investigators after a report found the plane’s fuel switches were cut off, deepening the mystery of what happened.

The preliminary report from India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, published on Friday, said both of the plane’s fuel switches moved to the cut-off position immediately after take-off, stopping fuel supply to the engines.

“In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut off. The other pilot responded that he did not do so,” the report reads.

The London-bound Boeing 787 Dreamliner crashed into a medical college shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad airport on 12 June, killing 241 people on board.

Another 19 people died on the ground and 67 were seriously injured.

The cousin of sisters Dhir and Heer Baxi, who were flying home to London after surprising their grandmother for her birthday and died in the crash, said he was not satisfied by the report.

Ishan Baxi, who lives in Ahmedabad, said: “We’re still hoping for a more transparent and honest investigation that doesn’t shy away from addressing possible mechanical flaws or lapses in protocol to avoid future potential accidents.

“I just hope the final report brings full clarity on what exactly failed and who’s accountable. It shouldn’t hide behind vague terms.

Sounds like 'allah akbar' but covertly

 

[Jay Ross]

Sounds like 'allah akbar' but covertly

You are beginning to sound like that big Johnson boy, jumping to a conclusion without any real evidence to back up your position so far.
What I am attempting to do is to only present the reported preliminary conclusions, without expressing a personal biased opinion on what might have happened without trying to read between the lines.

Repeating your opinion does not make your opinion right at this present time.

 

[David in NJ]

You are beginning to sound like that big Johnson boy, jumping to a conclusion without any real evidence to back up your position so far.
What I am attempting to do is to only present the reported preliminary conclusions, without expressing a personal biased opinion on what might have happened without trying to read between the lines.

Repeating your opinion does not make your opinion right at this present time.

Thank you for your presentation.

Reports are controlled by the authorities to either hide facts and/or to make up their own facts.
This is standard practice.

Fuel was deliberately shut off = someone wanted all those people dead

Think

 

[Jay Ross]

Fuel was deliberately shut off = someone wanted all those people dead

That is one theory at the moment. There may have been other circumstances that could have caused the fuel to have been cut off.

And yes, I agree, the culture in the Indian sub-continent is biased by the corrupt practices that exist within that country.

The truth will come out, but we have to allow time for that to happen.

 

[pandaflower]

A recent article on the direction that the investigation is taking: -

Air India Crash Investigated as Sabotage Job​

​

Air travel is often seen as the safest way to get around. But when a disaster happens, it leaves deep scars on everyone affected.​

​

That is what families are now dealing with after a terrible crash in India that took hundreds of lives.​

​

Investigators have turned their attention to something they had not confirmed before. They are looking into whether the crash was caused by sabotage, reports Ziare.​

​

“One in a Billion Event”​

​

Before this, some people guessed sabotage was possible. But this is the first time an official confirmed it is being taken seriously.​

​

The pilot, Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, called air traffic control right after takeoff. He shouted that the plane had no power and needed help.​

​

Experts say both engines failing at the same time almost never happens. They called it a “one in a billion event.”​

​

Investigators are studying whether the engines stopped because of fuel contamination.​

​

They have the plane’s black box, which holds voice recordings and flight data. Mohol said the black box will stay in India and not be sent abroad.​

​

He also said that all Dreamliners in the country were checked and found safe. He told travelers not to be afraid to fly.​

​

Vishwash Ramesh later said surviving was a miracle. But he is haunted by the loss of his brother, Ajay, who died in the crash.​

This plane crash may well have been sabotage given the hostilities between India and Pakistan.

This theory still has a long way to go yet before it can be established as the primary cause.

Let us be patient and not jump to the wrong conclusions.

Prayers for all who were on the flight and all those who grieve the loss.

 

[Rockerduck]

I believe if one of the pilots were to do it, then they would have let the plane get some altitude and over the ocean. So, I don't believe a pilot would do it on purpose, but a mistake. Also, transatlantic flights have 3 or 4 pilots for one pilot to rest. So, maybe the 3rd was a culprit.

 

[SavedInHim]

Personally, I think it will turn out to be a mechanical failure of some sort. Hard to say at this time what that failure could've been. I don't believe it was sabotage; nor did the pilots make a critical error. That's my opinion only, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Jay Ross]

MSN

This is the text from the above link: -

NEW DELHI (Reuters) -A preliminary investigation into the crash of an Air India passenger jet last month that killed 260 people raises additional questions about the incident and the investigation is far from over, Air India's CEO said in a memo on Monday.

The preliminary investigation released by India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau on Saturday depicted confusion in the cockpit shortly before the crash of the Boeing Dreamliner.

In a staff memo reviewed by Reuters, Air India CEO Campbell Wilson said the report had "triggered a new round of speculation in the media ... Unsurprisingly, it provided both greater clarity and opened additional questions."

He added: "The preliminary report identified no cause nor made any recommendations, so I urge everyone to avoid drawing premature conclusions as the investigation is far from over."

The memo said the preliminary report found no mechanical or maintenance faults and that all required maintenance had been carried out.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner bound for London from the Indian city of Ahmedabad began to lose thrust and sink shortly after take-off. All but one of the 242 people on board and 19 others on the ground were killed.

According to the AAIB report, in the flight's final moments one pilot was heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he cut off the fuel.

"The other pilot responded that he did not do so," the report said. It added that the plane's engine two fuel cutoff switches flipped almost simultaneously, but did not say how.

The preliminary report suggested no immediate action for Boeing or GE, whose engines were fitted on the aircraft.

ALPA India, which represents Indian pilots at the Montreal-based International Federation of Air Line Pilots’ Associations, has rejected any presumption of pilot error and called for a "fair, fact-based inquiry".

"The pilots had passed their mandatory pre-flight breathalyser and there were no observations pertaining to their medical status," Campbell said in his memo.

The commanding pilot of the Air India plane was Sumeet Sabharwal, 56, who had a total flying experience of 15,638 hours and, according to the Indian government, was also an Air India instructor. His co-pilot was Clive Kunder, 32, who had 3,403 hours of total experience.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Thank you for your presentation.

Reports are controlled by the authorities to either hide facts and/or to make up their own facts.
This is standard practice.

Fuel was deliberately shut off = someone wanted all those people dead

Think

When I seen this on TV I said to my wife, it looks as tho the fuel was cut off. thinking it was a problem with a system, not that one would do such a thing.

 

[David in NJ]

When I seen this on TV I said to my wife, it looks as tho the fuel was cut off. thinking it was a problem with a system, not that one would do such a thing.

i believe the fuel was cut off by the pilot