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[doctrox]

That alone should tell you that yôm does not automatically mean “exactly 24 hours” every single time it appears.

and

Genesis does not force yôm (“day”) to mean exactly 24 hours.

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Treating [the Genesis creation “days”] as automatically equivalent to modern 24-hour calendar days goes beyond what the Hebrew alone can prove.

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...the actual Hebrew word you built the whole thing on never meant “exactly 24 hours, no exceptions” to begin with.

You just conceded the entire argument.

Rather, your strawman (“Each creation yôm was exactly twenty-four hours long.”) just got burned.

"24 hours" is colloquially a day as per the whole of scripture.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Rather, your strawman (“Each creation yôm was exactly twenty-four hours long.”) just got burned.

"24 hours" is colloquially a day.

You're frankly delusional. No one's thinking that... Everyone's thinking YIKES...

You admitted the verse doesn't exist while still insisting that your interpretation is somehow not an interpretation.

All while completely ignoring that Genesis 2:4 demolishes your simplistic equation of the English word “day” with an automatic twenty-four-hour duration.

The same Hebrew word yôm can refer to an ordinary day, part of a day, or large spans of time.

So pointing at the simplistic English translation of “day” does not establish twenty-four hours in the slightest.

And you've already admitted Genesis never actually says it does; so there's that...

Your position is basically reduced to this:

Genesis doesn't say it.
The Hebrew word doesn't require it.
Genesis itself uses the word more broadly.
But somehow your conclusion still isn't an interpretation.

 

[doctrox]

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You admitted the verse doesn't exist while still insisting that your interpretation is somehow not an interpretation.

If you simply read the whole of scripture, you'd have your answer.

But no, you must play the critic and critic-ize all who do not bow at the monuments of men ala "the Hebrew":

your dumbed-down simplistic English KJV

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ (2 Cor. 11).

Your position is basically reduced to this:

Rather, it's this:

You do not need outside books, foreign languages or human opinions to understand God's word. You look up other verses that use the same words or teach the same topic to find the full meaning.

And where does scripture say that a day was not 24 hours? And why do you doubt that God is able to create all that He created in 24-hr increments? And ....why is it important enough to go back and forth about it?

Exactly the point! Who gives us understanding - men, or God's Holy Spirit? It's the 'scholars', the wannabee's, the fakirs, who have corrupted the covenant and led many astray:

But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts (Mal. 2:8).

Genesis doesn't say it.
The Hebrew word doesn't require it.
Genesis itself uses the word more broadly.
But somehow your conclusion still isn't an interpretation.

If you simply read the whole of scripture, you'd have your answer.
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[RLT63]

It doesn't. (Since you speak English, you can simply read a vernacular bible.)


Let me know when you've decided to trust God's words rather than men's.


I've defended no interpretation; rather, I trust that God has preserved his words.

Gen 2:17 - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam and Eve didn’t die in 24 hours after they ate the forbidden fruit

 

[doctrox]

Gen 2:17 - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam and Eve didn’t die in 24 hours after they ate the forbidden fruit

Yep, yôm yet again, which can be literal or figurative:


- source BLB


Immediate spiritual death and separation from God; for a certainty or a process. This is a common construction in the OT. Again, the broader context, the whole of the word of God, reveals what we need to know - comparing scripture with scripture.

Genesis 2:17
Romans 5:12
1 Corinthians 15:20-22
Numbers 26:65
etc.

In the day [inf.] thou eatest, thou shalt die, that is, "Thou shalt become mortal and capable of dying; the grant of immortality shall be recalled, and that defence shall depart from thee. Thou shalt become obnoxious to death, like a condemned malefactor that is dead in the law" (only, because Adam was to be the root of mankind, he was reprieved); "nay, the harbingers and forerunners of death shall immediately seize thee, and thy life, thenceforward, shall be a dying life: and this, surely; it is a settled rule, the soul that sinneth, it shall die." - Matthew Henry

I'm not saying God didn't create all these things. OF COURSE, He did! But what I am saying is that He said He did each of these in increments of days. He said "the evening and the morning were the first day" ...and so on and so forth. I'm not going to place my carnal interpretation on what a day looked like then, compared to now.

This is wisdom.

 

[David in NJ]

Is it???? Using your logic I would say you take away from the Word of God.

Did you add Jesus left on a white horse in your translation?
Did you write between the lines the prosperous social economical conditions of the world at the end of the tribulation?

i AGREE 100% that it is sin to do either:
a.) Add to God's words what HE never Said
b.) Take away from God's words what HE did Say

If you choose to trust & obey God in (a) & (b), HE will increase your understanding and faith in HIM thru HIS Holy Scriptures.

 

[David in NJ]

Gen 2:17 - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam and Eve didn’t die in 24 hours after they ate the forbidden fruit

Adam & Eve died immediately upon eating the forbidden fruit!
Just as God Said = "In the day you eat..."

Thus why they tried to cover their sin with fig leaves and hid from the Presence of the LORD.

Physical death began in their bodies upon sinning.

 

[RLT63]

Adam & Eve died immediately upon eating the forbidden fruit!
Just as God Said = "In the day you eat..."

Thus why they tried to cover their sin with fig leaves and hid from the Presence of the LORD.

Physical death began in their bodies upon sinning.

They lived in a fallen state, they didn’t die until much later

 

[doctrox]

They lived in a fallen state, they didn’t die until much later

Spiritually dead, physically dying.

 

[David in NJ]

They lived in a fallen state, they didn’t die until much later

The fallen state is spiritual death = far more serious!!!

 

[David in NJ]

They lived in a fallen state, they didn’t die until much later

Why did Adam & Eve not die physically the same day?

 

[doctrox]

Why did Adam & Eve not die physically the same day?

God's divine grace and mercy saved the day (pun intended).

 

[David in NJ]

God's grace saved the day (pun intended).

AGREE

How do we know that is the correct answer?

 

[doctrox]

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How do we know that is the correct answer?

Because you and I are here.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. - John 3:16-17
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[David in NJ]

Because you and I are here.

John 3:16

This also is TRUE

Let's get back to Genesis where the Answer was First Given

 

[CrowCross]

i AGREE 100% that it is sin to do either:
a.) Add to God's words what HE never Said
b.) Take away from God's words what HE did Say

If you choose to trust & obey God in (a) & (b), HE will increase your understanding and faith in HIM thru HIS Holy Scriptures.

W h a t -Ever...

 

[David in NJ]

W h a t -Ever...

His Love toward us is Forever

 

[Marvelloustime]

What were the many false prophets prophsey of durning the late and last hours of jersualem .
What did they preach for and what did they teach .
And what were the few prophets prophesy of .
And they cast out the true in favor of the false .
The false were not teaching the great words of THE TRUTH but rather were preaching the smooth things
and prophesying of a comin g peace upon Jerusalem .
And the wicked did not repent of his EVIL and vile ways for THEY had promised them LIFE .
But had they preached the words of TRUTH , had they taught MY PEOPLE my words
they had repented .
And the few t rue prophets did not come to prophesy unto them peace
nor false hoods , nor the smooth things that tickled their ears and promised them LIFE as IS .
They had come t owarn and warn they did to REPENT of this wicked
FOR WHY will ye die . but they did not heed the true but cast them out .
And years later THE SAVOIR would come , lowly and meek
speaking truth unto all . but unto many they cast him out in favor
of what their leaders taught them and told them .
And now within christendom WE SEE THE SAME .
THE JESUS , HIS WORDS , THE GOD , HIS WORDS are all being cast out , as are his sheep
and all in favor of YE SHALL have peace n safety , and the gay does not repent , and the muslim does not repent
nor does any repent hismelf of his evil , nor beleives ITS dire necessary to even have to BELEIVE ON JESUS .
And when the true do come and say otherwise
They cast them out as haters , even cliaming they are haters of GOD , of love and anti semitic
and etc . AND ALL because the TRUE POINT ONLY TO JESUS and all the lovely words of truth in that bible .
THEY cast OUT HIS WORDS as they cast out even his sheep . Marvel not david .
FOR the time has come that many who do so , WILL BELIEVE and even do BELEIVE they do the will of GOD .
JESUS warned . AND WE BELIEVE JESUS , the apostels warned and WE beleive their words .
But a harlot has seduced them david . And now the TRUTH is hated and a lie is loved .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

The great and mighty clock of the signs of the times does show these be the late and last days on planet earth .
And the forest of signs does show this to be so .
But unto the many who have and do reject the Love of the Truth and rather heed a harlots love
T hey simply see billions of the trees but cannot discern it as THE FOREST .
And they say to those who do warn , YE silly things that is no forest it is but billions of trees . And so highly educated
they are and so filled with the wisdom of man they cannot see
HELLO A FOREST IS BILLIONS OF T REES . they see only the trees but not the forest .
It as like a man that went on a long journey and along the way he was telling all
I am going to show to you a great beach and a mighty ocean .
And when they all get there
the man says SEE i TOLD YOU . THERE it is for all to see , a great beach and a mighty ocean .
But the many says to the man ,
That is no ocean and that is no beach . Its just trillions of gallons of salt water
and tons upon tons of sand .
THEY cannot see for the sands of men and the waters of man , HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

But upon all who do sigh because of all these abominations and loved not a lie but rather rejoiced IN THE TRUTH
shall be spared the WRATH OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and the LAMB .
For JESUS has the sheep david . JESUS has them and unto He DO THEY HEED .
Buy the TRUTH and sell her not . And yet many have sold the truth for the lie of a harlot
and by means of anti christ intefaith are seduced to the day of their own destruction .
And they have loved and do love a lie , a lie that the false religoins and its leaders now teach
as well as many leaders in christendom .
And why . Why did they heed the voice of many false ones .
FOR WHEN HE CALLED they rejected
And WHEN GOD had sent his own sheep unto them to warn the wicked to repent of his wicked ways
and to warn all to Believe on JESUS
They cast them out as haters , just as they had cast out the very WOrds of GOD in favor of a lie and lies .
And for this cause God sent a strong delusion , a lying spirit unto ALL the false religoins and unto all
those who rejected the truth within chrsitendome .
And the idea was , THIS IS love and this is the means by which ye shall have peace n safety .
ONLY it wont be peace n safety , but rather their own destruction by the VERY GOD
and HIS CHRIST whom they denied .
Tick tock . FOR WHEN THEY SHALL say peace n safety ..................................KABOOM its sudden destruction
and they WILL NOT escape . Tick tock . Times running down and t imes running out .
ITS JESUS FOR THE SHEEP and no other voice shall they heed .

@amigo de christo