Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

[ewq1938]

Right, and we’re not debating about who was left, only about whether it’s a local or global event.

Large, but local not global. Sodom etc is a sister story used and it was also not global. There is no global slaughter at the second coming. All we are given are local slaughters, like in Rev 19 where an army is killed at a local place.

 

[jeffweeder]

Then why didn’t Jesus say His coming would be like a bright shining star?

Saying as lightening from one end of heaven to the other, sounds much more like power and great glory of the Father than seeing a star.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not provide its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And at that time the sign of the Son of Man [coming in His glory] will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth [and especially Israel] will mourn [regretting their rebellion and rejection of the Messiah], and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliance and splendor]. 31 And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet and they will gather together His elect (God’s chosen ones) from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

If you have no issues speculating local lightning can be like a global super nova event then you should have no problems seeing how the flood can be a local event.

What Is a Supernova? | NASA Space Place –​

A supernova is a huge explosion of a star that can outshine its entire galaxy.



No wonder the light of the sun or moon can't be seen, no wonder the elements melt in the fervent heatm no wonder the Lord comes in a flame of fire.

 

[ewq1938]

Saying as lightening from one end of heaven to the other, sounds much more like power and great glory of the Father than seeing a star.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not provide its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And at that time the sign of the Son of Man [coming in His glory] will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth [and especially Israel] will mourn [regretting their rebellion and rejection of the Messiah], and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliance and splendor]. 31 And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet and they will gather together His elect (God’s chosen ones) from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

What Is a Supernova? | NASA Space Place –​

A supernova is a huge explosion of a star that can outshine its entire galaxy.



No wonder the light of the sun or moon can't be seen, no wonder the elements melt in the fervent heatm no wonder the Lord comes in a flame of fire.

Except it says darkened, not outshined like a supernova would do.

 

[jeffweeder]

Except it says darkened, not outshined like a supernova would do.

 

[ewq1938]

"No wonder the light of the sun or moon can't be seen". Of course that's not what the text says. The sun will be DARKENED and the moon will not show it's light which is the light of the sun that will not be shining at all. That means the sun stops shining during that time. No supernova matches the text.

 

[jeffweeder]

"No wonder the light of the sun or moon can't be seen". Of course that's not what the text says. The sun will be DARKENED and the moon will not show it's light which is the light of the sun that will not be shining at all. That means the sun stops shining during that time. No supernova matches the text.

Stop nitpicking. I was trying to make a point to GB. Any idea what that was?

Why do you think the sun or moon stops giving it light from the text?

At least I provided a theory using the text by saying the Lord comes in the power, glory and splendor of his Father.
Didn't say it would be a super nova, I said think supernova as the glory and light of the Father would outshine everything else in the heavens.
Do you get me now sweetheart...

 

[Earburner]

You do ignore whatever scripture you choose to ignore and form your own non-biblical doctrine, don't you?

It's called "comparing spiritual things with [that which is] spiritual". 1 Cor. 2:13.
Please go read it, and the ENTIRE chapter!

You commend yourself and your human wisdom as "the wisdom of God received by you through the Holy Spirit" in the same breath that you disparage the brother who disagrees with you as being guided only by his "natural human wisdom and understanding" - blind to the fact that in many cases, those who disagree with you are disagreeing with you because they are correct and you have misinterpreted the scriptures, and they can see your error.

Romans 14
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Nope!! Our appearing before the judgment seat of Christ is NOW, ever since His death and resurrection, NOT after He returns in flaming fire!
That judgment is  completely described in KJV John 3:18, and is literally fulfilled through/by John 3:3-8, John 14:23 and Rev. 3:20.

2 Cor. 5:10 is about what good things or bad things we have done in our body, which is either we have ACCEPTED Christ into our life, or we have REJECTED Christ from our life. Rom. 8:8-9
The two thieves on their crosses are our example.
1. One was not repentant and8 therefore rejected Christ, and would not allow himself to come before Him.
2. The other was repentant and confessed that Jesus was Lord, by asking Jesus to "remember" him, when He came into His kingdom. Luke 23:38-43.

If you recall correctly, Jesus mortally died before the two thieves did.
1. Therefore, one thief is eternally lost. He did not believe and was not repentant, therefore he refused to appear before Christ's judgment.
2. The other thief did believe and was repentant. He willingly  appeared before Christ's judgment, by ASKING Him that he might be Remembered by Him. As we know, that thief is now eternally saved!

12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

Your (AD 70 Preterist) thinking has you puffed up in your own natural human wisdom, brother. That's why you judge your brother as inspired or guided only by his natural human wisdom but not by God the moment he disagrees with what in your hubris you believe you received from the Holy Spirit regarding scripture.

Your words will embarrass you when Christ returns, unless you admit your fault, and repent of it beforehand - because a great portion of scripture has been misinterpreted by you in order to make it comply with Preterist doctrine, which is false doctrine.

It is readily apparent to me that you do not, or cannot understand all of 1 Cor. ch. 2 at the moment.
1 Cor. 2
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Through the mind of Christ within you(?), please read and study all of 1 Cor. ch. 2.

There are many professing Christians who have come to Jesus for the forgiveness of sins, but never personally opened "the door"/ invited Him INTO the very being of their life. John 14:23; 1 John 5:11-13; Rev. 3:20.
All of such may be suspect of those who "have a form of godliness", thus having not the Gift of the Holy Spirit, and therefore are all about doing their OWN "good works" for approval and "to be seen of by men".
2 Tim. 3
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power [authority] thereof: from such turn away.
[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mat. 7
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity Why?? They never had the Holy Spirit of God/Christ within them- Rom. 8:9
Oh yes!!! They had God's Biblical words within their conscious mind, but never did they ever have the Holy Spirit Himself.

It's the parable about the 10 virgins.
5 were wise and 5 were foolish.
Try to find out WHY there were 5 foolish.

 

[ewq1938]

Stop nitpicking.

It wasn't. You are trying to change the text from darkness to your theory of a supernova. The text does not support that in the slightest.

Why do you think the sun or moon stops giving it light from the text?

The sun stops shining so naturally the moon has nothing to reflect. Somewhere a verse also speaks of the stars not shining as well so basically God makes the Universe go dark for the arrival of Christ.

At least I provided a theory using the text by saying the Lord comes in the power, glory and splendor of his Father.
Didn't say it would be a super nova, I said think supernova as the glory and light of the Father would outshine everything else in the heavens.
Do you get me now sweetheart...

Don't use weird, inappropriate insults. It's gross and makes you look gross.

 

[Earburner]

Stop nitpicking. I was trying to make a point to GB. Any idea what that was?

Why do you think the sun or moon stops giving it light from the text?

At least I provided a theory using the text by saying the Lord comes in the power, glory and splendor of his Father.
Didn't say it would be a super nova, I said think supernova as the glory and light of the Father would outshine everything else in the heavens.
Do you get me now sweetheart...

I agree to what you are saying. It's more like the Light of the Glory of Christ during His return will be so bright, it will eclipse ALL the lights in the heavens.
That level of brightness was exclaimed during the event of His Transfiguration.

A good example, is to hold the flame of a candle/lighter up to the bright Sun, and then quickly look through the flame at the Sun. In so doing, one will barely be able to see the burning flame.

 

[Earburner]

No. You are creating a ton of strawman fallacies. I spoke of him drinking wine with his disciples in the distant future. He was not speaking of what he would do a few days after the cross.

Typical of literists, you are not listening to what the Spirit is saying. Jesus has been drinking wine after the cross, and is still doing so!!

 

[ewq1938]

Typical of literists, you are not listening to what the Spirit is saying. Jesus has been drinking wine after the cross, and is still doing so!!

Jesus is in heaven and is still doing so! See, other people can use strawman fallacies too.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus is in heaven and is still doing so! See, other people can use strawman fallacies too.

No, I'm using "steelman realities".

When you partake of the bread and the wine, does Jesus, who is within you, leave and then come back later, once the sacrament of "holy communion" is finished? KJV John 14:23.
Edit:
KJV Mat. 26
[29] But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it NEW with you in my Father's kingdom.

Aside from us, who are spiritually born again of God's Holy Spirit, thus becoming New creatures, we should readily recognize that Jesus Himself became the very FIRST, in the fulness of what the NEW Creature shall be like, in His Father's kingdom.

Please also consider KJV John 3:3-8; Rom. 8:9 and Rev. 3:20, and allow the Holy Spirit within to teach you, and not that which is of "the wisdom of men", aka church-ianity.