Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

[Scott Downey]

Note the last few verses here about the second coming of Christ, we shall be changed

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Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you indeed is not grievous to me, but it is a safeguard for you. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the Concision. For we are the Circumcision who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and...

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Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you indeed is not grievous to me, but it is a safeguard for you.

2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the Concision.

3 For we are the Circumcision who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh—

4 though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath grounds to trust in the flesh, I have more:

5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; according to the law, a Pharisee;

6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; as to the righteousness before the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted as loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung, that I may win Christ

9 and be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith,

10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death,

11 that if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 It is not as though I had already attained it, nor were already perfect; but I follow after, that I may apprehend that for which Christ Jesus also apprehended me.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended it, but this one thing I do: forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as would be perfect, be thus minded; and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, however much we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark those who so walk, as ye have us for an example.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often and now tell you even with weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ.

19 Their end is destruction, their God is their belly, and their glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

20 For our abiding is in Heaven, from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

21 who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

 

[grafted branch]

The problem with that idea is what God said.
What did God say?
I quoted it. All land dwelling flesh that breathes air, God killed in the flood.
Except for what was in the ark.

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth, and the waters increased and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed and were increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered.

20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, and the mountains were covered.

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl and of cattle and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, all that was on the dry land, died.

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man and cattle, and the creeping things and the fowl of the heaven, and they were destroyed from the earth. And Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.

There is nothing to lead us to believe that humans had spread over the entire globe, they were concentrated and localized. The story in Genesis regarding the tower of Babel implies at the very least that the human custom of staying closely together was both cultural and normative during this time period.

This means a severe, but local flood would have been enough to wipe out all of mankind, because all of mankind was centralized around the Garden of Eden and surrounding areas.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is nothing to lead us to believe that humans had spread over the entire globe, they were concentrated and localized. The story in Genesis regarding the tower of Babel implies at the very least that the human custom of staying closely together was both cultural and normative during this time period.

This means a severe, but local flood would have been enough to wipe out all of mankind, because all of mankind was centralized around the Garden of Eden and surrounding areas.

But, there is plenty of evidence to indicate that animals lived over the entire globe at that time. God didn't just destroy all of mankind except for 8 people with the flood, but also all animals except for seven pairs of every clean animal and one pair (male and female) of every unclean animal. So, the flood was indeed global and that's why the global destruction that will happen at the return of Christ is compared directly to what happened with the flood in Noah's day (Matthew 24:35-39, 2 Peter 3:6-7).

 

[grafted branch]

But, there is plenty of evidence to indicate that animals lived over the entire globe at that time. God didn't just destroy all of mankind except for 8 people with the flood, but also all animals except for seven pairs of every clean animal and one pair (male and female) of every unclean animal. So, the flood was indeed global and that's why the global destruction that will happen at the return of Christ is compared directly to what happened with the flood in Noah's day (Matthew 24:35-39, 2 Peter 3:6-7).

All the animals were local also. How else do you think a sloth from Brazil could’ve gotten to the ark in time?

 

[ewq1938]

YES!! Therefore, his words in Mat 26:29 were an implication of his soon to be resurrection

No, he is talking about the distant future after the resurrection.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

All the animals were local also. How else do you think a sloth from Brazil could’ve gotten to the ark in time?

The fact that all those animals came to the ark was a miraculous event orchestrated by God, so why would you question His ability to bring animals there from across the globe? What evidence do you have to indicate that all the animals only dwelt in one region at that time?

 

[jeffweeder]

There is nothing to lead us to believe that humans had spread over the entire globe, they were concentrated and localized. The story in Genesis regarding the tower of Babel implies at the very least that the human custom of staying closely together was both cultural and normative during this time period.

This means a severe, but local flood would have been enough to wipe out all of mankind, because all of mankind was centralized around the Garden of Eden and surrounding areas.

Looks like it took anywhere from 70 to 120 years to build the ARK.
That is plenty of time for Noah's family and the animals to get far enough away from the local area.
So why bother building the ARK in the first place if it wasn't global?

Waters covered the whole globe at creation, so where did all the water go when the lands appeared?
The fountains of the deep were closed ?- and then reopened at the flood, so it makes sense all the high mountains on the globe would be covered again.

Gen 7
19 The waters prevailed so greatly and were so mighty and overwhelming on the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. 20 [In fact] the waters became [c]fifteen cubits higher [than the highest ground], and the mountains were covered.

 

[Earburner]

No, he is talking about the distant future after the resurrection.

I strongly doubt that very, very much, especially with the evidence that I have provided from the many moments of when Jesus revealed that His coming into His Kingdom WAS VERIFIED on the day of His crucifixion, as He promised to the repentant thief on the cross.

Now, ever since then, please tell us all, that Jesus HAS NOT come into His kingdom. When you do, you will have called every person who claims to be born again of the Holy Spirit A LIAR, and therefore according to you, they have NOT YET entered into the KoG, because Jesus is STILL WAITING to come into his kingdom. Really??
Is that what you want to say??
Please, go and talk to the repentant thief on the cross!!

 

[Earburner]

The problem with that idea is what God said.
What did God say?
I quoted it. All land dwelling flesh that breathes air, God killed in the flood.
Except for what was in the ark.

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth, and the waters increased and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed and were increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered.

20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, and the mountains were covered.

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl and of cattle and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, all that was on the dry land, died.

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man and cattle, and the creeping things and the fowl of the heaven, and they were destroyed from the earth. And Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.

Amen Scott!! For those who disagree with the scriptures and continue to contend with God's truth, they are doing exactly what 2 Peter 3:5 says:
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this THEY  WILLINGLY ARE ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

 

[ewq1938]

I strongly doubt that very, very much, especially with the evidence that I have provided from the many moments of when Jesus revealed that His coming into His Kingdom WAS VERIFIED on the day of His crucifixion, as He promised to the repentant thief on the cross.

Now, ever since then, please tell us all, that Jesus HAS NOT come into His kingdom. When you do, you will have called every person who claims to be born again of the Holy Spirit A LIAR, and therefore according to you, they have NOT YET entered into the KoG, because Jesus is STILL WAITING to come into his kingdom. Really??
Is that what you want to say??

No. You are creating a ton of strawman fallacies. I spoke of him drinking wine with his disciples in the distant future. He was not speaking of what he would do a few days after the cross.

 

[grafted branch]

The fact that all those animals came to the ark was a miraculous event orchestrated by God, so why would you question His ability to bring animals there from across the globe? What evidence do you have to indicate that all the animals only dwelt in one region at that time?

Are you suggesting that we take a look at scientific evidence concerning the ark and the flood? Or are you just going to say the whole thing was miraculous and we don’t need to look at any scientific or physical evidence?

This reminds me of the conversation we had about you wanting physical evidence of a 70AD coming yet ignoring physical evidence concerning the flood and saying we should just believe the Bible.

 

[grafted branch]

Looks like it took anywhere from 70 to 120 years to build the ARK.
That is plenty of time for Noah's family and the animals to get far enough away from the local area.
So why bother building the ARK in the first place if it wasn't global?

Well, that’s a question that only God can answer.

It’s kinda like saying why not just simply leave prior to seeing the abomination of desolation instead of having to flee at a moment’s notice.

Waters covered the whole globe at creation, so where did all the water go when the lands appeared?

If the earth’s surface was smooth the water would be about 1.6 miles deep. I would say when the land appeared it was the mountains and valleys being created, the water went into the valleys.

The fountains of the deep were closed ?- and then reopened at the flood, so it makes sense all the high mountains on the globe would be covered again.

Not really, the mountains would have to be lowered and the valleys raised on the surface of the earth. There’s not enough water on the planet to cover the mountains as it currently exists, even if all the ice melted and underground aquifers were on the surface.

 

[Earburner]

No. You are creating a ton of strawman fallacies. I spoke of him drinking wine with his disciples in the distant future. He was not speaking of what he would do a few days after the cross.

Because you are determined to hold strongly to your indoctrination by the "wisdom of men", I am understanding that at this time, you are spiritually incapable of discerning what I am saying at all.
In other words your "earthen vessle" is full of "kool-aid" instead of "living water".
Please read all of 1 Cor. ch. 2.

 

[ewq1938]

Because you are determined to hold strongly to your indoctrination by the "wisdom of men", I am understanding that at this time, you are spiritually incapable of discerning what I am saying at all.
In other words your "earthen vessle" is full of "kool-aid" instead of "living water".

Same to you but much more.

 

[ewq1938]

So why bother building the ARK in the first place if it wasn't global?

To survive a flood. Noah gathered local animals not all animals on Earth which we already know was impossible and could not fit on the Ark.

 

[jeffweeder]

Well, that’s a question that only God can answer.

It’s kinda like saying why not just simply leave prior to seeing the abomination of desolation instead of having to flee at a moment’s notice.

You do get the point im trying to make right

The AOD event did not involve Gods wrath on all that lives on the face of the earth. It was a localized event in Judea. Those that did not flee were taken captive etc, and continued living. Opposite to what happened to those not on the ark (In Christ)

Only the second coming is compared to the scope of Noahs day.

If the earth’s surface was smooth the water would be about 1.6 miles deep. I would say when the land appeared it was the mountains and valleys being created, the water went into the valleys.

Noah and his ark was anchored high on a mountain in Ararat for over 6 months.

4 On the seventeenth day of the seventh month [five months after the rain began], the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to decrease until the tenth month; on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains were seen.
6 At the end of [another] forty days Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made; 7 and he sent out a raven, which flew here and there until the waters were dried up from the earth. 8 Then Noah sent out a dove to see if the water level had fallen below the surface of the land. 9 But the dove found no place on which to rest the sole of her foot, and she returned to him to the ark, for the waters were [still] on the face of the entire earth. So he reached out his hand and took the dove, and brought her into the ark.
10 He waited another seven days and again sent the dove out from the ark. 11 The dove came back to him in the evening, and there, in her beak, was a fresh olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water level had subsided from the earth.

12 Then he waited another seven days and sent out the dove, but she did not return to him again.

Not really, the mountains would have to be lowered and the valleys raised on the surface of the earth. There’s not enough water on the planet to cover the mountains as it currently exists, even if all the ice melted and underground aquifers were on the surface.

See Gen 8 above.

Ararat is 16,945 feet high.
How far would the waters have extended in all directions before they began to recede???
It took10 months before the top of the mountain was seen.

 

[Zao is life]

Let me be clear here. By Amil I'm not meaning every single Amil. I'm only meaning Amils falsely teaching these things, that God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire the same same way He literally engulfed the entire planet in water during Noah's flood.

I fully agree with Amil about the timing of 2 Peter 3:10-12 regardless that I'm Premil . I disagree with certain Amils that the entire planet is going to be literally engulfed in flames, therefore, burning to death infants, children, adults, the entire animal kingdom, etc.

And no, I'm not interested in hearing these Amils possibly argue that He is going to spare infants and children though, when these Amils know good and well He never spared them during Noah's flood. And since it is absurd that He would burn to death infants and children to begin with, let alone the entire animal kingdom, this tells any reasonable person He's not going to literally set the entire planet on fire to begin with.

Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

Unlike certain Amils in this case, I believe what God said here. I do not think God is a liar here, but apparently they do.

If God plainly said that He is never going to do this ever again--- and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. We are to believe He has found a loophole, that He is going to do something a million times more profound, burn all flesh to death this time around?

Picture being on a small ship at sea that has caught on fire and that there is no way to put it out, that it is raging fiercer by the minute. What fate do you assume one might choose per that scenario? Staying aboard the ship risking being burned to death eventually? Or jumping overboard risking being drowned to death eventually?

Surely these Amils have heard of cases where people were trapped in buildings numerous stories up that have caught on fire. And that some of them literally jumped out of windows to their death below rather than choosing to be burned to death instead. Clearly, being burned to death is one of the most cruelest ways to die, otherwise, why would anyone jump out of a window to their death below instead of being burned to death? They are going to die either way, regardless.

These Amils seriously need to repent of not believing God when He said what He said in verse 15 above, just so that they can make their Amil view supposedly work. No habitable planet = no millennium can follow, right? Yet, once again, if He's never going to do that ever again, He certainly isn't going to do something a million times more profound instead.

In my case, Premil has nothing to do with why I initially reject the Amil literal interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12. I reject it because I have better common sense than these certain Amils do in this case, since I know full well, if God is never going to bring a flood upon the earth to destroy all flesh, He certainly isn't going to do something even more profound, burn all flesh to death via the entire planet being literally engulfed in flames the way the entire planet was literally engulfed in water during Noah's day.

Revelation 19:15-21 has the enemies of Christ perishing in a very different way to the way 2 Peter 3:10-12 is interpreted by the majority - but 2 Peter 3:10-12 takes on an entirely different meaning in its original Greek:

2 Peter 3:10:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away [parérchomai] with a great noise, and the elements [stoicheîon] shall be dissolved [lýō] with fervent heat, the earth also and the works [érgon] that are therein shall be burned up [katakaíō]."

katakaíō [Strongs Greek 02618] κατακαίω katakaíō, kat-ak-ah'-ee-o:
to burn down (to the ground), i.e. consume wholly:--burn (up, utterly).

Luke 3:17:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn [katakaíō] with fire unquenchable.

Matthew 13:30:
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn [katakaíō] them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Revelation of John 17:16:
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn [katakaíō] her with fire.

1 Corinthians 3:15:
If any man’s WORK [G2041 érgon] shall be burned [katakaíō], he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

- In an extremely long list of verses, érgon refers to the works of men.
- In a number of verses érgon refers to the works of God or of Christ.
- In some verses érgon refers to the works of Satan.

In each of the other five verses where the same word is used, the word [stoicheîon] is always referring either to the rudiments or principles of this world, or to the principles of the oracles of God:

Colossians 2:8 & 20; Hebrews 5:12; Galatians 4:3; Galatians 4:9.

2. lýō (or luo): Always refers to something that was bound or restrained, being loosed.

3. parérchomai: Used variously:-

- Used for "passing by", "passing closeby", OR
- "coming near"; OR
- "seizing upon or to come upon" (at times suddenly); OR
- in reference to a time that has passed.

2 Peter 3:10 is the only verse where the word carries an entirely different meaning than in any other verse where the word is used, according the majority interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10.

2 Peter 3:12:
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire [G4448 puroo] shall be dissolved [G3089 lyo / luo], and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

5. Pyro / Puroo: πυρόω pyro (Strongs Greek Dictionary 4448):
to kindle, i.e. (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined, (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust):--burn, fiery, be on fire, try.

The burning up of the rudiments and principles [stoicheîon] of this world, and the works [érgon] of darkness (the works of men and of Satan) goes with the context of the destruction of ungodly men (2 Peter 3:7).

@Truth7t7
It does not say the planet and universe is going to be burned up. It says that the works [ergon] that are therein shall be burned up. "Dissolved" [lyo / luo] refers to the unbinding or loosing of something that was bound in every other New Testament verse the word is used. Stoicheon does not refer to chemical elements but to the principles and rudiments of this world which are the works of men and of Satan.

It will be by the sword that proceeds from the mouth of Christ:
Revelation 19:15-21; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10. 2 Peter 3:10-12.​

MAKING ALL THINGS NEW [kaínōsis]​

- Strongs Greek 02537 καινός kainós
of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness).

- Strongs Greek 00342 ἀνακαίνωσις anakaínōsis
from 341 (anakainóō); renovation:--renewing.

- Strongs Greek 00341 ἀνακαινόω anakainóō
from 303 and a derivative of 2537; to renovate:--renew.

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing (anakaínōsis) of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God." (Romans 12:2).

"So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new (kainós) creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new (kainós)." (2 Corinthians 5:17).

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision has any strength, nor uncircumcision, but a new (kainós) creation." (Galatians 6:15).

"Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new [kainos] heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." (2 Peter 3:13).

--- And I saw a new (kainós) heaven and a new (kainós) earth. For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. And the sea no longer is. And I, John, saw the holy city, New (kainós) Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband. --- Revelation 21:1-2

"And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make (poiéō) all things new (kainós). And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful" (Revelation 21:5).

The word poiéō (Strongs Greek 04160) does not mean to create. It means to do or perform something.

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:16-17).

"And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make (poiéō) all things new (kainós). And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful" (Revelation 21:5).

Copy @ewq1938 FYI

 

[Earburner]

No. You are creating a ton of strawman fallacies. I spoke of him drinking wine with his disciples in the distant future. He was not speaking of what he would do a few days after the cross.

I firmly stand with the spiritual** fact that ever since people started to become born again (entering into Christ's kingdom-which you deny **), and have been partaking of the bread and the WINE, having Jesus within us, He HAS also BEEN partaking in that WINE we drink.
To understand THAT, you must comprehend what exactly John 14:23 is saying, as well as Rom. 8:9.

John 14
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode [dwelling place] with him.
Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

**Note: 1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

**Note: 2 Tim. 3
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[Earburner]

Revelation 19:15-21 has the enemies of Christ perishing in a very different way to the way 2 Peter 3:10-12 is interpreted by the majority - but 2 Peter 3:10-12 takes on an entirely different meaning in its original Greek:

2 Peter 3:10:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away [parérchomai] with a great noise, and the elements [stoicheîon] shall be dissolved [lýō] with fervent heat, the earth also and the works [érgon] that are therein shall be burned up [katakaíō]."

katakaíō [Strongs Greek 02618] κατακαίω katakaíō, kat-ak-ah'-ee-o:
to burn down (to the ground), i.e. consume wholly:--burn (up, utterly).

Luke 3:17:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn [katakaíō] with fire unquenchable.

Matthew 13:30:
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn [katakaíō] them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Revelation of John 17:16:
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn [katakaíō] her with fire.

1 Corinthians 3:15:
If any man’s WORK [G2041 érgon] shall be burned [katakaíō], he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

- In an extremely long list of verses, érgon refers to the works of men.
- In a number of verses érgon refers to the works of God or of Christ.
- In some verses érgon refers to the works of Satan.

In each of the other five verses where the same word is used, the word [stoicheîon] is always referring either to the rudiments or principles of this world, or to the principles of the oracles of God:

Colossians 2:8 & 20; Hebrews 5:12; Galatians 4:3; Galatians 4:9.

2. lýō (or luo): Always refers to something that was bound or restrained, being loosed.

3. parérchomai: Used variously:-

- Used for "passing by", "passing closeby", OR
- "coming near"; OR
- "seizing upon or to come upon" (at times suddenly); OR
- in reference to a time that has passed.

2 Peter 3:10 is the only verse where the word carries an entirely different meaning than in any other verse where the word is used, according the majority interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10.

2 Peter 3:12:
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire [G4448 puroo] shall be dissolved [G3089 lyo / luo], and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

5. Pyro / Puroo: πυρόω pyro (Strongs Greek Dictionary 4448):
to kindle, i.e. (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined, (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust):--burn, fiery, be on fire, try.

The burning up of the rudiments and principles [stoicheîon] of this world, and the works [érgon] of darkness (the works of men and of Satan) goes with the context of the destruction of ungodly men (2 Peter 3:7).

@Truth7t7
It does not say the planet and universe is going to be burned up. It says that the works [ergon] that are therein shall be burned up. "Dissolved" [lyo / luo] refers to the unbinding or loosing of something that was bound in every other New Testament verse the word is used. Stoicheon does not refer to chemical elements but to the principles and rudiments of this world which are the works of men and of Satan.

It will be by the sword that proceeds from the mouth of Christ:
Revelation 19:15-21; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10. 2 Peter 3:10-12.​

MAKING ALL THINGS NEW [kaínōsis]​

- Strongs Greek 02537 καινός kainós
of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness).

- Strongs Greek 00342 ἀνακαίνωσις anakaínōsis
from 341 (anakainóō); renovation:--renewing.

- Strongs Greek 00341 ἀνακαινόω anakainóō
from 303 and a derivative of 2537; to renovate:--renew.

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing (anakaínōsis) of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God." (Romans 12:2).

"So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new (kainós) creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new (kainós)." (2 Corinthians 5:17).

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision has any strength, nor uncircumcision, but a new (kainós) creation." (Galatians 6:15).

"Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new [kainos] heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." (2 Peter 3:13).

--- And I saw a new (kainós) heaven and a new (kainós) earth. For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. And the sea no longer is. And I, John, saw the holy city, New (kainós) Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband. --- Revelation 21:1-2

"And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make (poiéō) all things new (kainós). And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful" (Revelation 21:5).

The word poiéō (Strongs Greek 04160) does not mean to create. It means to do or perform something.

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:16-17).

"And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make (poiéō) all things new (kainós). And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful" (Revelation 21:5).

Copy @ewq1938 FYI

Unfortunately, for that of your human word study, in and out of the Greek, by and large the visible churches and their denominationally thinking theologians, are traveling in the opposite direction to what Christ Himself understands and reveals about the NEW earth.

God has ALREADY MADE that which is NEW!! Jesus Himself, is the very first of His New Creatures!!
So then, ALL who are born again by His Holy Spirit, ARE the many NEW creatures of His NEW Creation.

If you would like to see what the NEW Earth looks like, here it is:
2 Cor. 4
[7] But WE have this treasure [of God Himself] [with]IN [our] EARTHen [clay] vessels [our mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Peter 3[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a NEW earth, whereIN dwelleth [God's]
righteousness.

Of course, if you didn't know, God's righteousness does not dwell in the "dirt" of any planet earth, old or new. However, His righteousness DOES permanently DWELL withIN the earthen bodies of His saved people.

 

[PinSeeker]

Let me be clear here. By Amil I'm not meaning every single Amil. I'm only meaning Amils falsely teaching these things, that God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire...

David, you know where I stand with regard to the millennium. But I submit to you that a person believing "God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire" doesn't have anything to do with the millennium of Revelation 20. By that, what I mean is, there are people with, I'd say, any one of the views of the millennium who understand ~ in error ~ that "God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire."

I fully agree with Amil about the timing of 2 Peter 3:10-12 regardless that I'm Premil.

Okay... Yes, when Christ returns, He returns for good...

I disagree with certain Amils that the entire planet is going to be literally engulfed in flames...

Well, good; me, too. But if the text seems ~ seems, taken at face value ~ to say that, then... I mean, we have to try to make some kind of sense of it, right? Because we know it makes sense, of course, so we have to... well, take it for what it is, and not make it something it is not, right?

...therefore, burning to death infants, children, adults...

Right, nonsense. Unless that "burning" and "destroying" is... in a very different sense... <smile>

No habitable planet = no millennium can follow, right?

Ah, well, right, I guess, but the millennium does not... follow, sequentially... whatever you're talking about... When the "fire" comes... the "consuming fire"... <smile> ... God's millennium will have ended. The end of God's millennium is what prompts the "Consuming Fire's" coming... <smile>

In my case, Premil has nothing to do with why I initially reject the Amil literal interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12. I reject it because I have better common sense than these certain Amils do in this case, since I know full well, if God is never going to bring a flood upon the earth to destroy all flesh, He certainly isn't going to do something even more profound, burn all flesh to death via the entire planet being literally engulfed in flames the way the entire planet was literally engulfed in water during Noah's day.

Hm. Well, right. But so many things... and the way those things are depicted... in the Old Testament are indicative of far greater realities of the New Testament... and ultimate realities. In the case of the final Judgment of Revelation 20:11-15, Noah's flood in Genesis 7 is indicative of it, as is what happened in Genesis 19 at Sodom and Gomorrah. But neither are, in the sense of either literal water or literal fire, or even of destruction in the sense of annihilation. They are indicative in the sense, rather, of complete and total judgment, removal of evil, and making things new, which is what God says He is doing in Revelation 21:5. This will be the final, eternal reality.

Grace and peace to you, David.